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John Paul Gwin

long lost Native American grandfather of
Jeanette Whytrock
.


{CONNECTION? In 2008, I noticed the same people on two different pages in my "unrelated-to-me-at-present" page and have notified the parties involved. I hope that they will investigate further and see if indeed they are related, and if so, will contact me with the confirmation (SEE BELOW). --John Gwin -- jmcdgwin@zianet.com}

----Original Message Follows----
From: "Jeanette" newlifeunderscore10athotmaildotcom
Reply-To: gwin@rootsweb.com
To: <GWIN@rootsweb.com>
Subject: [GWIN] John P. Gwin
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 17:58:23 -0700

I am looking for John Paul Gwin, b. 1901 Creek Co., OK; d. 1976, Cherokee Co., OK -- JW

Jeanette,
To my knowledge so far, your John Gwin is not a relative of mine. But I'm interested, so I looked for him in the 1920 Oklahoma census and  found the following:

On January 21, 1920, a couple who answered the census as John Gwin, age 18, and his wife Hazel, age 16, were roomers at 108 1/2 East  
Hobson in Sapulpa (a suburb south of Tulsa), Creek Co., Oklahoma. His race was listed as Indian, hers as white. He had not attended school  
since 19 Sep 1919, but she had. Both could read, write, and speak English. His occupation was listed as battery expert, hers as none. He and both his parents were born in Oklahoma; she and both her parents were born in Missouri.

However, on Apr. 4, 1930, a John P. Gwin, age 28, was listed as living on E. 2nd St., Tulsa, OK. He was single, Indian, a welder by trade, and a native of Oklahoma. But he listed his parents' place of birth as Kansas (father) and Oklahoma (mother).

Best to you,
In Jesus,
John  (Contact information:)
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John, First I want to thank you so much for the information that you have sent. Yes this is my long lost grandfather. It has taken a very long time to find even how his name was spelled. No one in the family would give any information on him so it has been a long search. I am thankful to you. His mother was half Creek and half Cherokee. His father is white and born in Kansas.  Thank you, John.

Jesus is Lord,
Jeanette Whytrock


On January 21, 1920, a couple who answered the census as John Gwin, age 18, and his wife Hazel, age 16, were roomers at 108 1/2 East Hobson in Sapulpa (a suburb south of Tulsa), Creek Co., Oklahoma. His race was listed as Indian, hers as white. He had not attended school since 19 Sep 1919, but she had. Both could read, write, and speak English. His occupation was listed as battery expert, hers as none.  
He reported that he and both his parents were born in Oklahoma; she and both her parents were born in Missouri.

However, on Apr. 4, 1930, a John P. Gwin, age 28, was listed as living on E. 2nd St., Tulsa, OK. He was single, Indian, a welder by trade, and a native of Oklahoma. But he listed his parents' place of birth as Kansas (father) and Oklahoma (mother).


From the 27 Jun 1900 Census of the Northern District, Creek Nation, Indian Territory
Res/Fam
 Name
 Relat.
 Race
 Sex
 DOB
 Age
 Marr.
Stat.
 No. Yrs.
Married
 #of
Ch.
 #Ch.
Lvg.
 POB
 FPOB
 MPOB
 Occ.
 John M. Gwin Comment
32/35
 Gwin, William H.
 head
 w
 m
 Jul 1871
 24
 m
 1

KS
 KS
 KS
 farmer
 This shows all the promise of being the father of John Paul Gwin and the great-grandfather of Jeanette Whytrock. He is a white man named Gwin who was born in Kansas, is married to a Native American and living in Creek Co., Oklahoma, a year or two before John Paul's birth.

Gwin, Ida M.
 wife
 In
 f
 Jun 1876
 18
 m
 1
 1
 1
 Ind. Terr.
 Ind. Terr. Ind. Terr.
If so, Ida is also one of Jeanette's eight great-grandparents.

Gwin, Belma
 dau
 In
 f
 Feb 1900
 1
 s


Ind. Terr. KS
 Ind. Terr.
If William H. Gwin is in fact the father of John Paul Gwin, it means that John Paul had this older sister who is Jeanette's grandaunt.


I've not yet found anyone in the 1910 census who looks like either John Paul or William H. Gwin.

However, check this out in the
18 Jun 1880 Census of Centropolis, Franklin Co., Kansas:

Res/Fam
 Name
 Race
 Sex
 Age
 Est YOB
 Relat.
to HoH
 Marr.
Stat.
 Occ.
 POB
 FPOB
 MPOB
 John M. Gwin Comments
146/147
 Gwin, Austin B.
 w
 m
 32
 1848
 head
 m
 farmer
 MI
  --
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 Well, it's beginning to look like this is not a relative of mine after all. Since my own ggg-granduncle, Richard W. Gwin, ended up in SE Kansas, along with a lot of unidentified Gwin grandsons, I was hoping to find the link to him at this generation. However, there just seems to be no other William H. who fits, so for now, we're going to say that William's father is this Austin B. Gwin.

Gwin, Florence A.
 w
 f
 30
 1850
 wife
 m
 keeping house
 OH
 VT
 NY

Gwin, Mary L.
 w
 f
 10
 1870
 dau
 s
 at home
 KS
 MI
 OH

Gwin, Agnes M.
 w
 f
 8
 1872
 dau
 s
 at home KS
 MI
 OH

Gwin, Emily H.
 w
 f
 6
 1874
 dau
 s
 at home MO
 MI
 OH

Gwin, Harriet E.
 w
 f
 4
 1876
 dau
 s
 at home KS
 MI
 OH

Gwin, William H.
 w
 m
 4
 1876
 son
 s
 at home KS
 MI
 OH
 I think that this must be the father of John Paul Gwin.

In 2008 I noticed that HE ALSO APPEARS ON ANOTHER PAGE, www.gwinhoraciolucinda.htm . His full name is William Harry Gwin.
NOTE: Some of the dates certainly seem to not agree, but look at the names! I encourage you POTENTIAL cousins to get your heads together and share data. Have fun!

Gwin, Horatio J.
 w
 m
 1
 1879
 son
 s
 at home AR
 MI
 OH

Newcomb, Alevilda (?)
 w
 f
 18
 1862
 cousin
 s
 servant
 OH
 OH
 OH



Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007
From: "Jeanette" <newlife_10@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [GWIN] Oklahoma Gwins, John P.
To: <gwin@rootsweb.com>


John Paul Gwin
Born 1901 Creek County OK
Died 1976 Cherokee County OK
Father: William H. Gwin
Born March 1876 Centropolis, Franklin Co, KS
Married 1899 Sapulpa Oklahoma
Father: Austin B. Gwin
Mother: Florence A. ??
Mother: Ida M. ??
Born: 4-22-1882  Indian Territory Sapulpa, OK
Died: 7-01-1975 Kellyville, Creek County, OK
Sister: Myrtle Velma Gwin
Born: 4-1899 Indian Territory
Brother: George Bert Gwin
Born: 1906

Addenda:

Austin Burt Gwin, born March 17, 1846; is the father of William Henry “Harry” Gwin, born March 05, 1876. It is this “Harry” as he was called, who was married to Ida Mae BAKER.
Harry and Ida were the parents of John Paul Gwin Sr. (my grandfather), born February 13, 1901.

Jeanette, I just now took the liberty of putting what you sent me above into my own format below:

--Austin Burt Gwin, b. 17 Mar 1846 in Indian Territory, (Sapulpa, OK); d. 1 Jul 1975 at Kellyville, Creek Co., OK; m. Florence A. (nee unk.; b. unk.; d. unk.);

--William Henry "Harry" Gwin, b. 5 Mar 1876 at Centropolis, Franklin Co, KS; d. unk.; m. 1899 Sapulpa, OK to Ida Mae Baker;

--John Paul Gwin, Sr., b. 13 Feb 1901 in Creek Co., OK; d. 1976, Cherokee Co., OK;

--Myrtle Velma Gwin, b. 1899, Indian Territory
--George Bert Gwin, b. 1906


John,
I have updated information, Austin Burt Gwin, born March 17, 1846; is the father of William Henry “Harry” Gwin, born March 05, 1876. It is this “Harry” as he was called, who was married to Ida Mae BAKER.
Harry and Ida were the parents of John Paul Gwin Sr. (my grandfather), born February 13, 1901.
Sorry for the confusion. Steady research finally brought the correct information.
Jeanette Whytrock