.
Concerning the
Shields and Coulter
families of 1807 Crowson's Cove
.

SHIELDSCOULTERFAMSOFCC.HTM


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I have received e.mails (see below, SOURCE) from new friend Donald Shields who provided all the information below. I present it here with his permission. If you have any questions, please e.mail him--noting that I have transliterated his address in hopes of preventing it being collected by the computers of unscrupulous spammers--or me, John Gwin.

According to Donald's information, Richard Shields and Charles Coulter of Crowson's Cove are second cousins to each other, as are their respective brothers, John and John, who traveled with Lewis and Clark.

--John M. Gwin

1._--William Shields, b. 1668; m. Mary Jeanette Parker (b. 1668); at least 2 ch.

2._--Thomas Shields, b.1699;
3._--Eleanor Shields, b. ca. 1750; m. Mr. Coulter/Colter (b. 1748)
4._--John Colter/Colter, b. 1773 (of the 1803 Expedition who is credited as becoming one of the first "Mountain Men" of the country.)

4._--Charles Coulter, b. unk; (of Wear Valley, Crowson's Cove see plat map)

2._--John Shields, b. 1709; (grandfather of John [II] and Richard)
3._--Robert Shields, b. 1740; m. Nancy Stockton Shields (b. ca. 1745-1750) both of Sevier County, TN
4._--Richard Shields, b. 1764 (of Wear Valley, Crowson's Cove--see plat map)
5._--Benjamin Shields, b. 1786; (Donald Shields Note: SPECULATION--Benjamin Shields may or may not be the son of or related to this Richard Shields.)
6._--s/o B. S.
7._--gs/o B. S.
8._--g-gs/o B. S.
9._--Donald Shields of Lee's Summit, MO; gg-gs/o B. S.
4._--John Shields (II), b. 1769; of the Lewis and Clark Expedition



SOURCE:



From: "Donald C. Shields" sdcshie at worldnet dot att dot net
Date: Fri Dec 24, 2004  07:13:51 PM US/Mountain
To: <jmcdgwin@zianet.com>
Subject: Crowson's Cove families

John Gwin:

I'm a believed descendant of Richard Shields on your maps through his possible son Benjamin Shields. You have a great site.

My Shields research indicates that Richard's brother John Shields of the Lewis and Clark Expedition traveled with a John Coulter (Colter as Captain Lewis spelled it) who was the son of an Eleanor Shields Coulter who was related to John Shields through a common close ancestor. I believe that Charles Coulter of Wear Valley, Crowson's Creek was a brother to John Coulter (Colter) of the 1803 Expedition who is credited as becoming one of the first "Mountain Men" of the country.

I believe that John Colter and Charles Coulter's mother was an Eleanor Shields who was also related to John and Richard Shields through their great uncle Thomas Shields, brother to another John Shields who was the grand father of John and Richard Shields through their father Robert Shields and Nancy Stockton Shields of Sevier County, TN.

Also, your John Gwin of Crowson I believe to be the husband that my family names John Guinn (b. 1783) who was married to Rachel Shields (the daughter of Henry Woods Shields and Hester Waddell) belonging to another line of a William Shields family dating from about 1600.

At any rate--Such a great site and thanks for the insight into how to map from a "metes and bounds" deed description. Would be happy to share any more Guinn/Shields information that I may have.

Sincerely,

Donald Shields
Lee's Summit, MO


From: "Donald C. Shields"
Date: Sat Dec 25, 2004  09:02:33 PM US/Mountain
To: <JMcDGwin@zianet.com>
Subject: Edits of Shields/Coulter material

John,
 
Thanks for the kind Christmas wish. And we did have a nice day. And I trust you did also. What you have suggested putting on your web-site is correct, and you have my permission to include it.

I have added a few dates on the key personages below.

I'm curious if you think that my speculation about John Gwin/Guinn may be correct? Recall that I said, "Also, your John Gwin of Crowson I believe to be the husband that my family names John Guinn (b. 1783) who was married to Rachel Shields (the daughter of Henry Woods Shields and Hester Waddell) belonging to another line of a William Shields family dating from about 1600." The John Shields (b. 1709) generations that we trace below also belonged to that William Shields (b. 1600) line.
At any rate, good to meet you via the Internet and more kudos on your web page. As I digest its contents more fully over the coming days, I may be able to piece together more. If so, I will try to share it with you.

Sincerely,
Donald Shields

1._--William Shields (b. 1668) and Mary Jeanette Parker (b. 1668).
.....2._--Thomas Shields (b. 1699)
..........3._--Eleanor Shields (b. Abt. 1750)  m. Mr. Joseph Coulter/Colter (b. 1748)
...............4._--John Coulter/Colter, b. 1773(of the 1803 Expedition who is credited as becoming one of the first "Mountain Men" of the country.)
...............4._--Charles Coulter, b. unknown (ofWearValley, Crowson's Creek see plat map
.....2._--John Shields, b. 1709 (grandfather of John [II] and Richard)
..........3._--Robert Shields, b. 1740, and Nancy Stockton Shields, b. 1750-1745, of Sevier County, TN
...............4._--Richard Shields, b. 1764(ofWearValley, Crowson's Cove--see plat map)
....................5._--Benjamin Shields, b. 1786 (Donald Shields Note:SPECULATION--Benjamin Shields may not be son of/related to this Richard Shields.)
.........................6._--s/o B S
..............................7._--gs/o B S
...................................8._--g-gs/o B S
........................................9._--Donald Shields of Lee's Summit, MO [John M. Gwin Note: may not be listed in correct generation]
...............4._--John Shields (II), b. 1769,of the 1803 Lewis and Clark Expedition



From: "MARCELINE HILL" <sks12@MSN.com>
Date: Tue Apr 04, 2006  07:57:30 AM US/Mountain
To: <jmcdgwin@zianet.com>
Subject: Shields- Walker genealogy response

Thank you for your reply.  As far as my Shields and Walker connection, I am just not certain other than the family names and the Tennessee homeplace. 

My Shields were listed in the 1860 census of Jackson Co., Celina, TN--

1.0--William Walker Shields, b. ca. 1824; m. Mary (Polly) Walker (b. 1828; was believed to be the daughter of William Walker and wife's maiden name (McClerran)); was a medical doctor; 7 children:
2.01--John Shields,

2.02--Flora Shields,

2.03--Mary F. Shields,

2.04--William Walker Shields [, Jr.,] (my husband's grandfather)

3.0--[Mr. Shields]
4.0--[Mr. Shields, m. Sharry K. Shields]
2.05--his twin Matilda Shields who died an infant and an

2.06--Albert Mabry Shields, and

2.07--Joseph Burk Shields from Kentucky.

Pembroke Shields, believed to be a cousin in the Celina area; was a medical doctor;  

I do have a genealogy friend who is a descendant of Nancy Stockton and Robert Shields, mentioned in your history of the area

They had a son Richard Shields who was also mentioned in your history. He was born July 4-1764 in Augusta Co. VA and they are not certain where he ended up.  I believe that this may be the Richard who was a neighbor to your Gwin relative, since his parents also had a son Thomas.
Robert Shields was born in Augusta county, Va.  and died in Sevier Co. TN .

From what I can determine, my Shields family also came from that area of VA and ended in Tennessee. 

Since I am not certain of the parents of William Walker Shields, MD, I feel there could be a possible connection. 

I also have family names of

FOX,
DOCKERY,
PROFFITT,
WEBB,
EVERSAL,
MCMURTRY,
MARTIN,
BALL
that all were born in VA and ended up in the Sevierville area on my husband's maternal side of the family.

Any help would be appreciated.
Sincerely, Sharry K. Shields
P.S.- I am also in New Mexico, the Four Corners Area!
 
 
From: "MARCELINE HILL"
Date: Tue Apr 04, 2006  07:57:30 AM US/Mountain
To: <jmcdgwin@zianet.com>
Subject: Shields- Walker genealogy response

Thank you for your reply.  As far as my Shields and Walker connection, I am just not certain other than the family names and the Tennessee homeplace.  My Shields were listed in the 1860 census of Jackson county, Celina, TN-  WW Shields was born approx 1824 and his wife Mary (Polly) Walker was born in 1828. William Walker Shields was an MD there and there was also a Pembroke Shields, MD believed to be a cousin in the Celina area.  Mary, his wife was believed to be the daughter of William Walker and wife's maiden name (McClerran)  Children of WW and Mary were: John, Flora, Mary F., William Walker (my husband's grandfather) his twin Matilda who died an infant and an Albert Mabry, and Joseph Burk from Kentucky.  I do have a genealogy friend who is a descendant of Nancy Stockton and Robert Shields, mentioned in your history of the area.  They had a son Richard who was also mentioned in your history. He was born July 4-1764 in Augusta Co. VA and they are not certain where he ended up.  I believe that this may be the Richard who was a neighbor to your Gwin relative, since his parents also had a son Thomas. Robert Shields was born in Augusta county, Va.  and died in Sevier Co. TN .From what I can determine my Shields family also came from that area of VA and ended in Tennessee.  Since I am not certain of the parents of William Walker Shields, MD I feel there could be a possible connection.  I also have family names of FOX,DOCKERY, PROFFITT, WEBB,EVERSAL, MCMURTRY, MARTIN, BALL that all were born in VA and ended up in the Sevierville area on my husband's maternal side of the family. Any help would be appreciated. Sincerely, Sharry K. Shields P.S.- I am also in New Mexico, the Four Corners Area!