Page started 12 Oct 2008
Page updated 22 Jun 2009
SOURCES:
1. In October 2008,
Mary Lee
contacted me concerning
this gg-grandfather. While we can't yet connect him to my line, I'd run
into his name often in my Alabama
searches, and our mutual interest prompted this page for which she has
supplied most of this initial data.
2. The various census reports continue
to provide
this second source of information.
3. In June 2009, a relative who wishes to remain anonymous has provided
data concerning
eleven
ancestors of Wiley Preston Guinn! To contact this
relative, please email me.
4. Following up on data from Source #3, I went back to
Genforum.com and found a Marken
Frazier Gerhardt who claims descent from Charles and (now a 12th
ancestor)
Elizabeth Husbands
Guinn through their oldest daughter Mary Jane Guinn who married Charles
Frazier.
-- John M.
Gwin
jmcdgwin@zianet.com
22.00--Charles Guinn, m. Elizabeth Husbands
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21.00--Wm. Fitzgerald, Sr. m. Rebecca Irby
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20.00--James Cole m. Averiler Daniel
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21.00--Jester Cocke m. Sarah Cole
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22.00--James Fitzgerald, b.
1760 Amelia Co., VA; d. 17 Apr 1817
Madison Co., AL; m. bef. 1783 to Rebecca Cocke
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23.00--Henry Guinn m. Mary Ann Fitzgerald, b. ca. 1792
in VA) [John M. Gwin Note: Today
a relative, "Ann Animas",
contacted us with the names of these parents of Wiley P. Guinn and with
information about a Genforum posting which further provided Henry's
father as a Charles Guinn. Anyone wishing to contact this anonymous
cousin may do so through me. ]
24.00--Wiley Preston Guinn, b.
1832 in Choctaw Co., AL [age
26 in the 1860
census of Choctaw Co., AL]; d. 1892 in Cooke
Co., TX; bd. Valley View Cem., Cooke Co., TX; m1. Aletha Hough (b. 1836; d. unk.; bd.
unk.); at least 5 ch.; wd.? div.?;
m2. Ms. Kelley
(b. unk.; d. unk.; bd. unk.);
unk. ch.
[Mary Lee Note:
At some point
in the marriage of Wiley Preston Guinn and Aletha
(Hough) Guinn, Aletha deserted her husband and their children. Wiley
remarried later and raised his children and ended up in Texas, where
he died. He is buried in the Valley View Cemetery, Cooke Co., Texas. It
is unknown what happened to Aletha Hough or where/when she died. Wiley
Preston Guinn's second wife's last name was KELLEY. Not much info on
her in known yet.]
25.01-- Joanna
Guinn, b. 1854; d. 1913; bd. unk.; m. Mr. Van Parr (b. unk.; d. unk.; bd. unk.); unk.
ch. DESCENDANTS
POSSIBLE
25.02-- Mary J.
Guinn, b. 1857; d. unk.; bd. unk.; m. Charles Jacob DeMoss (b. unk.; d. unk.; bd. unk.); unk.
ch. DESCENDANTS
POSSIBLE
25.03--Alfred
Henry Guinn, b. May 1858 in Choctaw Co., AL [age 42 in the Jun 1900 census of Jus. Pct. #2,
Navarro Co.,TX]; [age 52 in the 15 Apr 1910 census of Pct. #3,
Navarro Co.,TX]; d. 1945
in Dallas Co.,
TX; bd. unk., but prob. in Dallas Co., TX; m. 1883 to Martha Bell Farley (b. May 1858 [age 42 in the Jun 1900 census of Jus. Pct. #2,
Navarro Co.,TX]; [age 52 in the 15 Apr 1910 census of Pct. #3,
Navarro Co.,TX]; d.
unk.; bd. unk.); 10 known ch. [reports 10 ch. b. and
lvg. in the 15 Apr 1910 census of Pct. #3,
Navarro Co.,TX]
26.01--Nannie
Bell Guinn, b. Apr 1885 in
Kerens, Navarro Co., TX [age 15 in the Jun 1900 census of Jus. Pct. #2,
Navarro Co.,TX]; [does not appear in
Alfred's and Martha's home in the 15 Apr 1910 census of Pct. #3,
Navarro Co.,TX, and assumed married and living elsewhere];
d.1957, Irving, Dallas Co., TX;
bd. unk.; m. Robert F. Sims
(b. ca. 1876
[ age 34 in the 15 Apr 1910 census of Pct. #3,
Navarro Co.,TX]; d. betw.
1915 and 1920; bd. unk.) 3 ch.
27.01--Robert L. Sims, b. in TX
ca. 1908 [age
12 in the 2 Jan 1920
census of Pct. #3, Navarro Co.,TX];
d. unk.; bd. unk.; m. unk.; unk ch. DESCENDANTS
POSSIBLE
27.02--Hamer C. Sims,
b. in TX ca. Jun 1911 [age 8yr/7mo in the 2 Jan
1920 census of Pct.
#3, Navarro Co.,TX]; d. unk.;
bd. unk.; m. unk.; unk ch. DESCENDANTS
POSSIBLE
27.03--Martha "Mattie" Sims, b.
in
TX ca. Feb 1915 [listed as "Mattie", age
4yr/11mo, in the 2 Jan 1920
census of Pct. #3, Navarro Co.,TX];
d. unk.; bd. unk.; m. unk.; unk ch. DESCENDANTS
POSSIBLE
26.02--Alfred
Baker Guinn, b. Apr 1886 in Powell, Navarro Co., TX [age 14 in the Jun 1900 census of Jus. Pct. #2,
Navarro Co.,TX]; [listed as "Baker"
age 23 and single, in the 15 Apr 1910
census of Pct. #3, Navarro Co.,TX]; [age 33 in the 2 Jan 1920 census of Pct. #3,
Navarro Co.,TX]; d. 1969;
bd. unk.; m. Mandie (nee unk.;
b. ca. 1890 in TX [age 30 in the 2 Jan 1920 census of Pct. #3,
Navarro Co.,TX]; d.
unk.; bd. unk.) at least 4 ch.
27.01--Eula Guinn, b. ca. Sep
1911 [age
8yr/5mo in the 2 Jan 1920
census of Pct. #3, Navarro Co.,TX];
d. unk.; bd. unk.; m. unk.; unk ch. DESCENDANTS
POSSIBLE
27.02--Floyd Guinn,
b. ca. Nov 1913
[age 6yr/3mo in the 2 Jan
1920 census of Pct.
#3, Navarro Co.,TX]; d. unk.;
bd. unk.; m. unk.; unk ch. DESCENDANTS
POSSIBLE
27.03--Chester Guinn, b. ca.
Feb
1915
[age 4yr/11mo in the 2
Jan 1920 census of
Pct. #3, Navarro Co.,TX]; d.
unk.; bd. unk.; m. unk.; unk ch. DESCENDANTS
POSSIBLE
27.04--Elmer Guinn, b. ca. Feb
1917
[age 2yr/11mo in the 2
Jan 1920 census of
Pct. #3, Navarro Co.,TX]; d.
unk.; bd. unk.; m. unk.; unk ch. DESCENDANTS
POSSIBLE
27.05--Clady B. Guinn, b. ca.
Oct 1919
[age 4mo in the 2 Jan 1920 census of Pct. #3,
Navarro Co.,TX]; d. unk.; bd.
unk.; m. unk.; unk ch. DESCENDANTS
POSSIBLE
26.03--Pearl
Guinn,
b. Mar 1888, Dallas Co., TX [age 12 in the Jun 1900 census of Jus. Pct. #2,
Navarro Co.,TX]; [listed as "Pearl", age
21 and single, in the 15 Apr 1910
census of Pct. #3, Navarro Co.,TX];
d. 1968, Dallas, TX;
m. unk. (b. unk.; d. unk. bd. unk.) unk. ch.
DESCENDANTS
POSSIBLE
26.04--Harrison
Rufus Guinn, b. Mar 1890,
Dallas, TX
[age 10 in the Jun 1900 census of Jus. Pct. #2,
Navarro Co.,TX]; [does not appear in
Alfred's and Martha's home in the 15 Apr 1910 census of Pct. #3,
Navarro Co.,TX, and assumed married and living elsewhere];
d. 1944, Corsicana, Navarro Co., TX;
bd. unk.;
m. unk. (b. unk.; d. unk. bd. unk.) unk. ch.
DESCENDANTS
POSSIBLE
26.05--Rose Etta
Guinn, b. May 1891 [age 9 in the Jun 1900 census of Jus. Pct. #2,
Navarro Co.,TX]; [does not appear in
Alfred's and Martha's home in the 15 Apr 1910 census of Pct. #3,
Navarro Co.,TX, and assumed married and living elsewhere];
d. 1961, Borger, Hutchinson Co., TX;
bd. Amarillo, Potter Co., TX; m. in
1909 in Navarro Co., TX, to Woodford
Henry Irwin (b. unk.; d. unk. bd. unk.) 5 ch.
27.01--Ms. Irwin [PRIVATE]
27.02--Mr. Irwin [PRIVATE]
27.03--Mr. Irwin [PRIVATE]
27.04--Ms. Irwin [PRIVATE]
27.05--Mr. Irwin [PRIVATE]
28.00--Mary
Lee [PRIVATE]
26.06--Joanna
"Anna" "Josie" Guinn, b. May 1892,
Corsicana,
Navarro Co., TX
[age
8 in the Jun 1900
census of Jus. Pct. #2, Navarro Co.,TX]; [listed as "Josie", age
17 and single, in the 15 Apr 1910
census of Pct. #3, Navarro Co.,TX];
d. 1970; bd. unk.; m. unk.
(b. unk.; d. unk. bd. unk.) unk. ch. DESCENDANTS
POSSIBLE
26.07--Laura A.
Guinn, b. Aug 1893 [age 6 in the Jun 1900 census of Jus. Pct. #2,
Navarro Co.,TX]; [does not appear in
Alfred's and Martha's home in the 15 Apr 1910 census of Pct. #3,
Navarro Co.,TX, and assumed married and living elsewhere];
d. unk.; bd. unk.;
m. unk. (b. unk.; d. unk. bd. unk.) unk. ch.
DESCENDANTS
POSSIBLE
26.08--John Guinn,
b. May 1895 [age 5 in the Jun 1900 census of Jus. Pct. #2,
Navarro Co.,TX]; [listed as "Johnnie", age
13 and single, in the 15 Apr 1910
census of Pct. #3, Navarro Co.,TX];
d. unk.; bd. unk.;
m. unk. (b. unk.; d. unk. bd. unk.) unk. ch.
DESCENDANTS
POSSIBLE
26.09--Velma V. Guinn,
b. ca. 1901,
Navarro Co., TX
[does not appear in the
Jun 1900 census of
Jus. Pct. #2, Navarro Co.,TX and assumed b. after 1900]; [listed as "Velma", age 9
and single, in the 15 Apr 1910
census of Pct. #3, Navarro Co.,TX];
d. 1969 in Pasadena, Harris Co., TX; bd. unk.; m. unk. (b. unk.; d.
unk. bd. unk.) unk. ch.
DESCENDANTS
POSSIBLE
26.10--William
Preston "Willie" Guinn, b. ca. 1905
[does
not appear in the Jun 1900
census of Jus. Pct. #2, Navarro Co.,TX and assumed b. after 1900]; [listed as "Willie", age
21 and single, in the 15 Apr 1910
census of Pct. #3, Navarro Co.,TX];
d. unk.; bd. unk.;
m. unk. (b. unk.; d. unk. bd. unk.) unk. ch.
DESCENDANTS
POSSIBLE
25.04--Wiley
Franklin Baker Guinn,
b. 1862; d. 1950; bd. unk.; m. 1891 to Laura
Bell Martin (b. unk.; d. unk. bd. unk.) unk. ch. DESCENDANTS
POSSIBLE
25.05--John H.
Guinn, b. 1864; d. 1865; bd. unk.; m. never DESCENDANTS NOT
POSSIBLE
23.00--Mary Jane Guinn
m. Charles Frazier
Some Pertinent Census
Data
From the 15 Oct 1850 Census of [Bladon
Springs?] Choctaw Co., AL
Res/Fam
|
Name
|
Sex |
Age
|
Est DOB
fr. age
|
POB
|
Value
Real Est.
|
Occ.
|
John
M. Gwin Comments
|
----/171
|
James
Guinn
|
m
|
22
|
1828
|
AL
|
100
|
planter
|
We
started this census search in 1860 and found Wiley--and possibly his
mother (see below). 1850 is our second stop. I am hoping and expecting
to find Wiley living with his parents. I'm also hoping and expecting to
find some older siblings. For example, this James could be an older
brother of Wiley.
|
|
Nancy
Guinn |
f
|
23
|
1827 |
SC
|
|
|
|
|
Manerva
Guinn |
f
|
3
|
1847 |
AL
|
|
|
|
----/173
|
Charles
Guinn |
m
|
29
|
1821 |
AL
|
-----
|
"Tuner"?
|
And
two doors away, this Charles could be another.
|
|
Elisabeth
Guinn |
f
|
27
|
1823 |
AL
|
|
|
|
|
Mary
Jane Guinn |
f
|
7
|
1843 |
AL
|
|
|
|
|
Ann E.
Guinn |
f
|
3
|
1847 |
MS
|
|
|
|
|
E. H.
Guinn |
m
|
1
|
1849 |
AL
|
|
|
|
----/165
|
Francis
A. Guinn
|
m
|
38
|
1812 |
AL
|
2000
|
miller
|
Six
doors away in the other direction is Francis, yet another possible
brother of Wiley.
|
|
Mary B.
Guinn |
f
|
40
|
1810 |
NC
|
|
|
|
|
Sarah
A. Guinn |
f
|
16
|
1834 |
AL |
|
|
|
|
Angeline
Guinn |
f
|
14
|
1836 |
AL |
|
|
|
|
Charles
Guinn |
m
|
11
|
1839 |
AL |
|
|
|
|
Reuben
Guinn |
m
|
9
|
1841 |
AL |
|
|
|
|
Jesse
Guinn |
m
|
6
|
1844
|
AL |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
But
where are Wiley and his parents? He reports in 1860 that he was
born in
AL, so where were they when the 1850 census came? I can't find them
anywhere--in AL or not.
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From the 4 Sep 1860 Census of Bladon Springs,
Choctaw Co., AL
Res/Fam
|
Name
|
Sex |
Age
|
Est DOB
fr. age
|
POB
|
Prop.
Val.
Real/Pers
|
Occ.
|
John
M. Gwin Comments
|
394/394
|
Wiley
P. Guinn
|
m
|
27
|
1833
|
AL
|
1000/380
|
farmer
|
Mary
Lee told us about this 1860 census first, and we start our cenwus
search here. Here
indeed is Wiley Preston Guinn in the 1860 census, right where she said
he'd be. Some additional data can be seen here for other family members
as well.
|
|
Alletha
A. E. Guinn |
f
|
23
|
1837
|
MS
|
|
|
|
|
Joana
I. Guinn |
f
|
6
|
1854
|
AL
|
|
|
The
middle initial is clearly an I, not a J, as it is distincly different
from the J in Joana and the J following Mary, next.
|
|
Mary J.
Guinn |
f
|
4
|
1856
|
AL
|
|
|
|
|
Alfred
H. Guinn |
m
|
2
|
1858
|
AL
|
|
|
Alfred
Henry Guinn.
|
341/341
|
David
W. Wright
|
m
|
42
|
1818
|
AL
|
1400/470
|
Meth Clergyman
|
Hmmm.
Living in the same town is this Pastor David Wright and his family,
with whom is
living...
|
|
Rebecca
Wright
|
f
|
41
|
1819
|
AL
|
|
|
|
|
Minerva
G. Wright |
f
|
16
|
1844
|
AL
|
|
|
|
|
Mary
A. Guinn
|
f
|
68
|
1792
|
VA
|
|
|
...the
very Mary A. Guinn of Virginia
of whom Mary Lee told me could possibly
be Wiley's mother. Good sleuthing, Mary! If it is true that she is
Wiley's mother, she was about 41 when Wiley was born, meaning he was
likely one of her youngest children if not the youngest. So Wiley
likely has older siblings for whom we should watch. I think the
1850 census of this same town should reveal something.
|
|
R. S.
Wright |
m
|
22
|
1838
|
AL
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
From
the Jun 1900 Census of
Justice Pct. #2, Navarro Co., TX
Res/Fam
|
Name
|
Relat
to HoH
|
Race/
Sex
|
DOB |
Age
|
MS/
YoM
|
#Ch./
Ch.Lvg/
|
POB
S/F/M
|
Occ.
|
John
M. Gwin Comments
|
310/315
|
Alford
H. Guinn
|
head
|
wm
|
May 1858
|
42
|
m/16
|
|
AL/AL/AL
|
farmer
|
Here
is the family of Alfred and Martha Bell Guinn!
|
|
Martha
B. Guinn
|
wife
|
wf
|
May 1858
|
42
|
m/16
|
8/8
|
KY/KY/KY
|
|
|
|
Nannie
B. Guinn |
daughter
|
wf
|
Apr 1885
|
15
|
s
|
|
TX/AL/KY
|
|
|
|
Alford
B. Guinn |
son
|
wm
|
Apr 1886
|
14
|
s
|
|
TX/AL/KY |
farm labor
|
|
|
Pearl
Guinn |
daughter |
wf
|
Mar 1888
|
12
|
s
|
|
TX/AL/KY |
|
|
|
Harrison
Guinn |
son
|
wm
|
Mar 1890
|
10
|
s
|
|
TX/AL/KY |
|
|
|
Rozetta
Guinn |
daughter |
wf
|
May 1891
|
9
|
s
|
|
TX/AL/KY |
|
|
|
Joe A
Guinn |
daughter |
wf
|
May 1892
|
8
|
s
|
|
TX/AL/KY |
|
|
|
Laura
A. Guinn |
daughter |
wf
|
Aug 1893
|
6
|
s
|
|
TX/AL/KY |
|
We
did not previously know about this daughter. She has now been
added to the outline above, extending the number of children of Alfred
and Martha to at least nine.
|
|
John
Guinn |
son
|
wm
|
May 1895
|
5
|
s
|
|
TX/AL/KY |
|
We did not previously
know about this son. He has now
been added to the outline above, extending the number of children of
Alfred and Martha to at least ten. |
From the 15 Apr 1910 Census of Pct. #3, Navarro
Co., TX
Res/Fam
|
Name
|
Relat
to HoH
|
Race/
Sex
|
Est.
DOB |
Age
|
MS/
YoM
|
#Ch./
Ch.Lvg/
|
POB
S/F/M
|
Occ.
|
John
M. Gwin Comments
|
341/346
|
Alford
H. Guinn
|
head
|
wm
|
1858
|
52
|
m1/26
|
|
MS/MS/MS!
|
farmer
|
How
strange that the census taker her would quote (actually MISquote)
Alfred as being from Mississippi! We know this to not be true, that he
was in fact born in Alabama.
|
|
Martha
B. Guinn
|
wife
|
wf
|
1858
|
52
|
m1/26
|
10/10
|
KY/KY/KY
|
|
|
|
Baker
Guinn |
son
|
wm
|
1887
|
23
|
s
|
|
TX/MS/KY |
farm labor
|
|
|
Pearl
Guinn |
daughter |
wf
|
1889
|
21
|
s
|
|
TX/MS/KY |
|
|
|
Josie Guinn |
daughter |
wf
|
1893
|
17
|
s
|
|
TX/MS/KY |
|
|
|
Johnnie
Guinn |
son
|
wm
|
1897
|
13
|
s
|
|
TX/MS/KY |
|
|
|
Velma
Guinn |
daughter
|
wf
|
1901
|
9
|
s
|
|
TX/MS/KY |
|
|
|
Willie
Guinn |
son
|
wm
|
1905
|
5
|
s
|
|
TX/MS/KY |
|
Aha.
Now we have the birth order correct. William is the baby in 1910. We
have changed this order in the outline above.
|
343/348
|
Robert
F. Sims
|
Head
|
wm
|
|
34
|
m1/3
|
|
KY/TN/TN
|
farmer
|
|
|
Nannie
Sims
|
wife
|
wf
|
|
25
|
m1/3
|
1/1
|
TX/TX/KY
|
|
Several
factors give us reason to believe this is the former Nannie Guinn: she
has the same first name; she's 25, and our Nannie was age 15 ten years
ago; she's living two doors down from our Nannie's parents; and, while
Alfred's POB and that of his parents are all out of kilter, she lists
KY as her mom's POB as does our Nannie.
|
|
Robert
L. Sims
|
son
|
wm
|
|
3
|
s
|
|
TX/KY/TX
|
|
|
From the 2 Jan 1920 Census of Pct. #3, Navarro
Co., TX
Res/Fam
|
Name
|
Relat
to HoH
|
Race/
Sex
|
Est.
DOB |
Age
|
MS/
YoM
|
POB
S/F/M
|
Occ.
|
John
M. Gwin Comments
|
---/8/8
|
Nannie
B. Sims
|
head
|
wf
|
1885
|
35
|
w
|
TX/AL/KY
|
farmer, gen. farm
|
Ancestry.com has mistranscribed
her name as "Mannie"; however, on close inspection at 200%, I'm certain
it's "Nannie". Now I'm further convinced than I was while viewing the
1910 census that this is our Nannie because (1) she finally has given a
census report to someone who has recorded the POB of her and her
parents accurately--see also the 1910 census above; and (2) her middle
initial is listed--B--and our Nannie's middle name is Bell.
|
|
Robert
L. Sims |
son
|
wm
|
1908
|
12
|
s
|
TX/KY/TX
|
|
|
|
Hamer
C. Sims |
son
|
wm
|
Jun
1911
|
8yr/7mo
|
s
|
TX/KY/TX |
|
|
|
Mattie
J. Sims |
daughter
|
wf
|
Feb
1914
|
5yr/11mo
|
s
|
TX/KY/TX |
|
|
---/15/15
|
Alfred
B. Guinn
|
head
|
wm
|
1887
|
33
|
m
|
TX/AL/KY |
farmer, gen. farm |
Here's
Alfred Baker Guinn, Nannie's brother, who is now married and the father
of five more of Wiley Preston Guinn's great-grandchildren.
|
|
Mandie
Guinn |
wife
|
wf
|
1890
|
30
|
m
|
TX/AL/TX |
|
|
|
Eula
Guinn |
daughter
|
wf
|
Aug
1911
|
8yr/5mo
|
s
|
TX/TX/TX
|
|
|
|
Floyd
Guinn |
son
|
wm
|
Oct
1913
|
6yr/3mo
|
s
|
TX/TX/TX |
|
|
|
Chester
Guinn |
son
|
wm
|
Feb
1915
|
4yr/11mo
|
s
|
TX/TX/TX |
|
|
|
Elmer
Guinn |
son
|
wm
|
Feb
1817
|
2yr/11mo
|
s
|
TX/TX/TX |
|
|
|
Clady
C. Guinn
|
daughter
|
wf
|
Oct
1919
|
4mo
|
s
|
TX/TX/TX |
|
|
From Alabama Marriages, 1809-1920 (Selected
Counties)
| Spouse 1: |
Wiley P. Gwynn |
| Spouse 2: |
Hanna Robinson |
| Marriage Date: |
29 Sep 1852 |
| Marriage Place: |
Clarke |
| Surety/Perf. Name: |
Hough Calhoun |
| OSPage: |
182 |
Some Good Communication
From: Shortilee918ataoldotcom
Date: October 12, 2008
To: JMcDGwin@zianet.com
Subject: Re: Possible Relative,
Choctaw, AL.----- GUINN
Hi!
Thanks for answering my email so fast.
It was my Grandmother, Rose Etta (GUINN)
Irwin, who was the Guinn connection in my family, to Wiley P. Guinn. My
grandmother's father (Alfred Henry Guinn) was Wiley P. Guinn's son.
I appreciate the offer to add my info to your
website. Thank you so very much. I'll get all my info together and send
it to you.
I also have a family photo of Alfred Henry
Guinn's wife and children, if you have a place to post it. (It's
already on a website that pertains to my grandmother's Guinn-Farley
connection--Farley's were from Kentucky.)
Maybe the photo might help in "seeing" similar
characteristics of these GUINNs in comparison to others. (It was Alfred
Henry Guinn, my g-grandfather, who married a Farley.)
My goodness, this genealogy can get
confusing...haha.
I'll send the info on my Guinns asap...and
again, thanks so much!
God Bless~~~~Mary Lee
In a
message dated 10/11/2008, JMcDGwin@zianet.com writes:
Hello, Mary Lee--thanks for writing--good to meet you!
I've seen your father's name many times over the years and
often wondered just how he and I are related.
I still have no idea.
But I do have a theory, and I'm fairly convinced it's at least
partially true.
I'm fully convinced that my ggggg-grandparents were Richard Gwin
and Sarah Chesley, both of whom were allegedly born, raised, and
married near Jamestown, VA. I believe that they had at least one son,
Isham/Isom, whom we know married Mary Canterbury near Blacksburg, VA,
and moved into what is now eastern TN where they raised ten kids. Isham
was a Baptist preacher who grew to hate slavery, so when Indiana
entered the Union as a free state, he free his slaves, sold his farm,
and moved most of his family to southern Indiana. But at least two of
their sons, John and William, moved to Alabama (in disagreement with
their father), and raised their families there. I descend from John.
Here's the theory, then: Richard had other brothers--and
sons--some of whom moved west through what is now WV and OH and into
central Indiana. Most of these other IN Gwins descend from a man named
Holmes/Homes Gwin whom we believe to be related to Richard. But
others of these VA relatives of Richard moved south through the
Carolinas and GA and into AL that way. I think your Wiley could easily
have descended from some of them. The names Chesley Gwin and Isom Gwin
surface in several of these families; this is our greatest clue and the
theory's source.
I'd love to build a page for your family and put it in my
"As-of-yet-unrelated Gwins" site, if you're of such a mind. If you
haven't seen it yet, it's at www.zianet.com/jmcdgwin/GENEALOGY/SURNAMES/Gwin/gwinsAsOfYetUnrelated.htm
.
These pages often (perhaps weekly) result in others contacting
us--just as you did tonight--with additional information about the
various published lines. The page is on my site, so I act as the
webmaster, but the page will be partially yours as well, and I'll make
additions, revisions, and/or deletions at your direction. As others
send in things, the page will melt together as have so many others in
the past.
Yours would start off similar to this mockup of what you've sent
so far:
4.00--Wiley Preston Guinn, b.
ca. 1834 [age 26 in the 1860 census of Choctaw Co., AL; d. unk.; bd.
unk.; m. ________ (b. ; d.; bd.); sev. ch.
..........5.00--Alfred Henry Guinn, b. ca. 1858
...........................6.00-- (Mary's grandfather)
......................................7.00-- (Mary's father)
............................................8.00--Mary Lee
Please let me know what you think.
Best to you,
In Jesus,
John (Contact
information:)
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U.S. Mail Address: 1845 Anderson
Dr., Las Cruces, NM 88001 USA
Telephone: (505) 522-2171
GENEALOGY Home Page:
http://www.zianet.com/jmcdgwin/genealogyhomepage.htm
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www.navigators.org/us/resources/illustrations/items/bridge
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On
Oct 11, 2008, Shortilee918ataoldotcom wrote:
My great-great grandfather was the Wiley P. (Preston) Guinn,
born abt. 1833-35, who shows up on the 1860 Fed. census, along with his
wife and children, in Choctaw Co., AL.
Their son, Alfred H. (Henry) Guinn, born ca. 1858, was my
great-grandfather.
If you think these Guinns connect with yours, please email me
back.
We think Mary A. Guinn, born abt. 1792, VA., was Wiley P.
(Preston) Guinn's mother, but we do not know to which of the Guinn men
she was married.
Thanks~~~~Mary Lee
From: Shortilee918ataoldotcom
Date: October 12, 2008
To: JMcDGwin@zianet.com
Subject: MY GUINN LINE
My Guinn Line: Any info/connections, please email me at Shortilee918 at
aol dot com
Wiley Preston Guinn, b.1832 in Choctaw Co., Ala.--d. 1892, Cooke Co.,
Tx.
{His parents are still unknown. We "think" his mother may have been
Mary (?) Guinn.}
Wiley married, first: Aletha Hough, b. 1836 d. unk. Their children were
as follows:
a. Joanna Guinn, b.1854 - d.1913---married a Van Parr.
b. Mary J. Guinn, b. 1857- d. unk.---married Charles Jacob DeMoss.
*c. Alfred Henry Guinn, (my g-grandfather), b.1858 in Choctaw Co,
Ala., d.1945, in Dallas Co., Tx.--- married in 1883, to Martha Bell
Farley. Their known children were:
1. Alfred Baker Guinn
2. Nannie Bell Guinn
3. Pearl Guinn
4. Harrison Rufus Guinn
*5. Rose Etta Guinn, (my grandmother), 1891-1961,
married Woodford Henry Irwin, in 1909, Navarro Co, Tx.
6. Velma Guinn
7. Joanna Guinn
8. William Preston Guinn
d. Wiley Franklin Baker Guinn, b. 1862 d. 1950---married Laura
Bell Martin in 1891.
e. John H. Guinn, b. 1864 d. 1865
Hi!
The page looks great! I appreciate your doing
it, so much!
There are some corrections, though,
since I got to see the page itself...minor, I suppose, but I'll let you
be the judge of that.
ROSE ETTA (GUINN) IRWIN, daughter of
Alfred Henry Guinn and Martha Bell (Farley) Guinn, was my Dad's mother,
and not my Mom's. Rose Etta Guinn-Irwin had 5 children: a daughter who
died at 5-months old; 2 sons who died in the late 1990's; a daughter
who is still living and is 94; and a son, (my Dad), who is 86 now.
Also, I found the birth dates/death
dates, this morning, for some of Alfred Henry Guinn's children, if you
think that would be helpful and where some are buried. Let me know. [My
94-year-old aunt provided me with this info.]
I'll probably just send you what I now have,
per my conversation with my aunt this morning, and you can decide
whether it should be included, okay? I'm relatively "new" to what
details to include. So sorry for the lack of experience in compiling
info...I'm working on it, though.
Have a great day and be blessed~~~~Mary Lee
Here's additional information on
some of the children of
MARTHA BELL (Farley) GUINN and ALFRED HENRY GUINN, son of Wiley
Preston Guinn and Aletha (Hough) Guinn.
(not in order of birth)
1. Alfred Baker Guinn, b.1886, in
Powell, Navarro Co., Tx., d.1969.
2. Nannie Bell Guinn, b.1884, in
Kerens, Navarro Co., Tx., d.1957, Irving,
Dallas
Co., Tx.
3. Pearl Guinn, b.1888, Dallas
Co., Tx., d.1968, Dallas, Tx.
4. Harrison Rufus Guinn, b.1889,
Dallas, Tx., d.1944, Corsicana, Navarro Co., Tx.
5. Rose Etta Guinn, b.1891,
Powell, Navarro Co., Tx., m. Woodford Henry Irwin,1909,
Navarro
Co., Tx.; d.1961, Borger, Hutchinson Co., Tx. [She and Mr. Irwin had 5
children;
two of which are still living, as of 2008, ages 94 and 86.] Rose and
Mr. Irwin
are both
buried in Amarillo, Potter Co., Tx.]
6.Velma V. Guinn, b.1900,
Navarro Co., Tx., d.1969, Pasadena, Harris County, TX.
7. Anna Guinn, b. 1893,
Corsicana, Navarro Co., Tx., d. 1970
PS: Sorry for the late additions.
God Bless,
~~~Mary Lee
Following is a copy of Genforum.com
posting no. 1044 on the Cocke Family Forum
posted 23 Jun 2009 and entitled Descendants
of Rebecca COCKE, d/o Jester COCKE and Sarah COLE.
Thanks to Phil Crowther for his extensive research on Charles COCKE and
Jester COCKE - AKA: Jester COX - Jester COKE - Jester COCKES - Jester
COCHES - Jester COCK - Jester COCKS
The parents of Jester COCKE are unknown.
Rebecca is the daughter of Jester and Sarah Cole COCKE.
(Sarah is the daughter of James and Averiler Daniel COLE.)
Descendants of Rebecca Cocke:
1 Rebecca
Cocke b: Bef. 1765 VA d: Aft. 1817 ..+James
Fitzgerald b:
1760 Amelia County, VA d: 17 Apr 1817 Madison County, AL m: Bef. 1783
Father: William (Sr) Fitzgerald
Mother: Elizabeth Irby
..........2 John (Sr) Fitzgerald b: 1783 VA d: 1875 Washington County,
AR
....+Mary Ann Couch b: 09 Mar 1794 Orange County, NC d: Bet. 1861 -
1870 m: 1808 Ashe County, NC Father: Edward Couch Mother: Mary Whitworth
....................3 James Fitzgerald b: 01 Jul 1809 Madison County, AL
....................3 Isaac Selby Fitzgerald b: 17 Dec 1814 AL d: 14
Oct 1894 Hess County, OK
....................3 John (Jr) Fitzgerald b: 19 Jan 1833 AR d: Aft.
1850
....................3 Elmyra Fitzgerald b: 1837 AR d: Aft. 1850
..........
2 Mary
Ann Fitzgerald b: 1792 VA d: ca 1870 Choctaw County, AL
....+Henry Guinn b: ca 1792 NC d:
ca 1844 Choctaw County, AL m: ca 1810
Madison County, AL Father: Charles Guinn
....................3 Wesley Guinn b: 1810 AL d: Aft. 1850 ......+Jane
(Guinn) b: 1820 TN d: Aft. 1850 m: Bef. 1834
....................3 Francis A. Guinn b: 1812 AL d: Aft. 1850
......+Mary B. (Guinn) b: 1810 NC d: Aft. 1850 m: Bef. 1834
....................3 Elizabeth Guinn b: 1816 AL d: Aft. 1850
......+Jesse Austin Wright
b: 13 Jan 1812 Laurens County, SC d: Aft. 1850 m: Bef. 1833 Father:
James Wright Mother: Nancy Clardy
....................3 Rebecca Guinn b: 1819 AL d: Aft. 1860
......+David W. Wright b:
1818 AL d: Aft. 1860 m: Bef. 1838 Father: James Wright Mother: Nancy
Clardy
....................3 Charles Franklin Guinn b: 1821 d: 1891
Collins County, TX
......+Elizabeth Husbands b: 1823 Bibb County, AL d: Aft. 1863 m: Bef.
1842
....................3 James W. Guinn b: 1828 AL d: Aft. 1850
......+Nancy (Guinn) b: 1827 AL d: Aft. 1850 m: Bef. 1847
....................3 Wiley P. Guinn b: 1833 AL d: Aft. 1860
......+Aletha A. E. (Guinn) b: 1837 MS d: Aft. 1860
..........
2 Nancy Fitzgerald b: Bef. 1794 d: Aft. 1817 ....+Alexander
Baxter b:
Bef. 1794 d: Aft. 1812 m: 17 Jan 1812 Madison County, AL
..........
2 Pheba Fitzgerald b: Bef. 1797 d: Aft. 1817 ....+John ? Hellums
b: Bef. 1797 d: Aft. 1809 m: Bef. 1817
..........
2 Elizabeth Fitzgerald b: Bef. 1798 VA d: 1837 Wolf Creek, Pike County,
AR ....+John (Sr) Humphrey b: Bef. 1796 d: Bef. 1820 Madison County, AL
m: 12 Dec 1814 Madison County, AL
....................3 Nancy Humphrey b: Bet. 1814 - 1820
....................3 James Humphrey b: Bet. 1814 - 1820
....................3 John Humphrey b: Bet. 1814 - 1820
..........
*2nd Husband of Elizabeth Fitzgerald....+Elijah (Sr) Kelley b: 14 Sep
1800 Jackson County, TN d: 26 Aug
1884 Wolf Creek, Pike County, AR m: 1820 Madison County, AL
Father:
Giles Kelley Mother: Martha Ford DeJarnette
....................3 Nancy Kelley b: 26 Feb 1829 Clark County, AR d:
11 Oct 1870 Jefferson County, TX......+Andrew Jackson Ward b: 13 Jul
1818 Clark County, AR d: 10 Mar 1867 Jefferson County, TX; m: Bef. 1849
Father: James Isaac Ward Mother: Mildred Clark Gentry
..........
2 Theodorick Fitzgerald b: Bef. 1799 d: Bet. 1817 - 1831 ....+Harriett
Johnston b: Bef. 1801 d: Aft. 1831 m: 21 Mar 1817 Madison County, AL
....................3 Sallie Harriett Fitzgerald b: Aft. 1817 2 Rebecca
Fitzgerald b: Aft. 1799
From:
Date: July 24, 2009 2:20:28 PM MDT
To: jmcdgwin@zianet.com (John Gwin)
Subject: !!! Re: private, re:Guinn, Wiley Preston
Hi again....
Just in case you are interested, I wanted to alert you that I just
found out that *allegedly* there exists a will for James FITZGERALD,
AKA: James Fitz GERALD.
With info from Phil Crowther, I was able alert a descendant who has
researched the FITZGERALDS about Jester COCKE and his daughter Mary Ann
who married James FITZGERALD - whose daughter Mary Ann Fitzgerald GUINN
is the mother of Wiley Preston GUINN.
Anyway, due to the paucity of information about Jester COCKE, his
daughter Mary Ann Cocke FITZGERALD and her daughter Mary Ann Fitzgerald
GUINN -- I thought that the discovery of a will for James FITZGERALD
*might* be of interest to you.
HOPEFULLY, the poster will email a copy of it to Phil, so that the
contents can be posted online.
TAKE CARE!!!
READ THE GENFORUM POSTING HERE:
http://genforum.genealogy.com/guinn/messages/1941.html
Maranda,
Thank you very much for your help. I'm looking forward to investigating
the Cocke family and the connection to the Fitzgerald family. I do have
a copy of James Fitzgerald's (Fitz Gerald)will found in Madison Co., Al.
Sincerely, Marken Gerhardt
Hello, Marken!
Hello, Marken!
I had NO idea that there was a will available for James Fitzgerald AKA
James Fitz Gerald.
Is it posted anywhere online?
Phil Crowther has an extensive website about his ancestor, Charles
COCKE -- who many people presume was the brother of Jester COCKE.
Here are 2 pages on his website where the surname FITZGERALD is
mentioned:
http://home.southwind.net/~crowther/Cocke/Jester.htm
http://home.southwind.net/~crowther/Cocke/_StateAR.htm
Phil has also brought together all the information about Jester COCKE,
the father-in-law of James Fitz Gerald -- there are quite a few pages
on his website devoted to *the* Jesters, PLURAL - as there seem to be
(at least) 5 different individuals by this name.
ONE of them is the father of Mary Ann who married James FITZGERALD.
Can you email a copy of the will to Phil? OR... can you transcribe it
in a posting on genforum?
Thanks so much, Marken!