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Sources:

1. Our first and only source to start was the 1880 U.S. Census of Precinct 8, Collin Co., TX (see below). We are looking for the children and other descendants of William Gwin (oldest son of Isham and Mary Canterbury Gwin) and his wife Susanah Beard. We believe we have found this William in the 1830 U.S. Census of Dallas Co., AL, and assuming that the ages for that census are correct, then William's and Susanah's second son in 1830 was born between 1825 and 1830 in Alabama. Matching this description perfectly in 1880 is this Carles Gwin, whose data from 1880 we have used to start this page as a likely candidate to be William and Susanah's son.

2. In September 2007 we found this family first in the 1870 Census of Grayson Co., TX (see below), then in the 1860 Census of Angelina Co., TX, and finally in the 1850 Census of Choctaw Co., AL, adding several more family members.

3. Then on 14 Sep 2007 we found three other Gwin families in the 1850 census of Choctaw Co., AL, living just minutes from this Charles, the ages of the husbands of each matching perfectly with the ages of the sons in William's and Susanna's family in the 1930 census!

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1.00--(unk., but could be William) Gwin, b. TN (per 1880 census); m. unk. (but could be Susana Beard, b. VA, per 1880 census);

Census Data

Res/fam	Name	Sex	Age	Est. DOB	Occ.	Real Est.	POB	John M. Gwin Comments
---/173	Charles Guinn	m	29	[1821]	Tuner?		AL	This is clearly our Charles Gwin, who, we hope, will turn out to be a son of William and Susanna Gwin, Isham's and Mary's oldest son. Living two doors away (fam. 171) is who I imagine to be his younger brother, James, while 8 doors away (fam. 165) is who I imagine to be their older brother, Francis (see next two census transcriptions).
	Elizabeth Guinn	f	27	[1823]			AL
	Mary Jane Guinn	f	7	[1843]			AL
	Ann E. Guinn	f	3	[1847]			MS
	E. H. Guinn	m	1	[1849]			AL	This will be Elijah H. Gwin.

From the 15 Oct 1850 Census of Choctaw Co., AL

Res/fam	Name	Sex	Age	Est. DOB	Occ.	Real Est.	POB	John M. Gwin Comments
---/171	James A. Guinn	m	22	[1828]	Planter	100	AL	This must be the family of the younger brother of Charles.
	Nancy Guinn	f	23	[1827]			SC
	Manerva Guinn	f	3	[1847]			AL

From the 15 Oct 1850 Census of Choctaw Co., AL

Res/fam	Name	Sex	Age	Est. DOB	Occ.	EstateVal. Real	POB	John M. Gwin Comments
---/165	Francis A. Guinn	m	38	[1812]	miller	2000	AL	This must be the family of the older brother of Charles. And, as he reports here, he is a miller! If Francis is William's son, then Francis' grandfather ISHAM was also reported to be a miller, back in Tennessee!
	Mary B. Guinn		40	[1810]			NC
	Sarah A. Guinn		16	[1834]			AL
	Angeline Guinn		14	[1836]			AL
	Charles Guinn		11	[1839]			AL
	Rewben Guinn		9	[1841]			AL	This must be Reuben.
	Jesse Guinn		6	[1844]			AL

From the 30 Sep 1850 Census of Choctaw Co., AL

Res/fam	Name	Sex	Age	Est. DOB	Occ.	EstateVal. Real	POB	John M. Gwin Comments
---/17	W. Guinn	m	40	[1810]	brick mason	3000	AL	Aha. Another Guinn, who looks like he, too, could be a son of William and Susanna.
	Jane Guinn	f	30	[1820]			TN
	F. H. Guinn	m	16	[1834]	laborer		AL
	Rebecca J. Guinn	f	8	[1842]			AL
	David A. Guinn	m	6	[1844]			AL
	Margaret A. Guinn	f	4	[1846]			AL
	Thomas W. Guinn	m	2	[1848]			AL

Comparing the 1830 Census for William's and Susanna's kids
to these four from Choctaw Co., AL, in the 1850 Census:

1830 Census	1850 Census	John M. Gwin Comments
Not listed in 1830.	W. Guinn 1810	Suppose this son were already married and out of the house in 1830; he would then be the eldest son but NOT PRESENT on the 1830 census of William's and Susanna's home! These are the only four Gwin families in the entire county of Choctaw in 1850. There are also two Beard families: #595 and 598.
4.01--(son) Gwin, b. betw. 1810 and 1815--age 15-20	Francis A. Guinn 1812
4.02--(daughter) Gwin, b. betw. 1815 and 1820--age 10-15
4.03--(daughter) Gwin, b. betw. 1815 and 1820--age 10-15
4.04--(son) Gwin, b. betw. 1820 and 1825--age 5-10	Charles Guinn 1821-2
4.05--(daughter) Gwin, b. betw. 1820 and 1825--age 5-10
4.06--(daughter) Gwin, b. betw. 1820 and 1825--age 5-10
4.07--(daughter) Gwin, b. betw. 1820 and 1825--age 5-10
4.08--(son) Gwin, b. betw. 1825 and 1830--age 0-5	James A. Guinn 1828
4.09--(daughter) Gwin, b. betw. 1825 and 1830--age 0-5
4.10--(daughter) Gwin, b. betw. 1825 and 1830--age 0-5
4.11--(daughter) Gwin, b. betw. 1825 and 1830--age 0-5
4.12--Thomas F. Gwin, b. (1822? 1828? 1831?) in Dallas Co., AL; d. (1902?); m.  Mrs. Nancy (Holman) Green (b. __; d. after 1910 census); no ch. (1 known stepch.) [It was Jan's discovery of this son that confirmed Susannah's maiden name as Beard/Baird (see item 13 below).]

From the 13 Jul 1860 Census of Homer, The First District, Angelina Co., TX

Res/fam	Name	Race	Sex	Age	Est. DOB	Occ.	POB	John M. Gwin Comments
386/430	Charles Guinn	w	m	49	[1821]	laborer	AL	This almost has to be the same family as we found in the 1880 census that started this hunt, as the first names, places of birth, and ages for Charles, Elizabeth, George, and Sarah all coincide.
	Elizabeth Guinn	w	f	47	[1823]	keeps house	AL
	Elijah H. Guinn	w	m	21	[1849]	laborer	AL
	James F. Guinn	w	m	19	[1851]	laborer	AL
	Martha Guinn	w	f	14	[1856]		TX
	Charles M. Guinn	w	m	12	[1858]		TX
	George W. Guinn	w	m	9	[1861]		TX
	Sarah M. Guinn	w	f	7	[1863]		TX

From the 14 Jun 1880 Census of Pct. No. 8, Collin Co., TX

From the 14 Jun 1880 Census of Pct. No. 8, Collin Co., TX

From 1860 Census of Choctaw Co., AL:

Sarah A Beard	Townships 9, 10, 11, and 12, Choctaw, AL	23	abt 1837	Alabama	Female
Plasant Beard	Townships 9, 10, 11, and 12, Choctaw, AL	18	abt 1842	Alabama	Male

From 1860 Census of Angelina Co., TX:

Guinns in the 1860 census