Torrey Gwin Hunter's Line
William Gwin
of Lawrence Co., Mississippi


[John M. Gwin Note, 25 Mar 2004: Cousin Barbara Ward and I have been working on our Gwin line.  We've determined that our John Gwin had a brother William Gwin (click to go to his page) who appears in 1805 in Sevier Co., TN, and in 1820 and 1830 in Dallas Co., AL. Then he disappears. Torrey's William, below, who first appears in Lawrence Co., MS, in the 1840 census, could be this same brother of John, and so I went to the Family History Center today to search the Lawrence Co., MS, census of 1840, 1850, and 1880 for myself.  I found a little information I have added in various places below in this dark green text.]


 

1.--WILLIAM GWIN - born ca 1780 ; a resident of Lawrence Co., MS according to the 1840 census, the details of his marriage and the name of his wife are unknown to me. [John M. Gwin Note, 25 Mar 2004:  The only Gwin I could find listed in the 1840 census of Lawrence Co., MS, was a William Gwyn (sic), age 20-29--this would make his DOB ca. 1811-1820, not 1780.  Living with him in 1840 were an unnamed wife, also age 20-29; no sons; and four unnamed daughters: one age 15-19, one age 5-9, and two under the age of 5. This William Gwyn could not, therefore, be the same person Barbara and I are looking for, nor could he be the same person Torrey describes just prior to this note.]

2.1--JOSEPH GWIN - b. ca 1800, d. 6 Mar 1836, in San Antonio, TX; m. 3-8-1829 to REBECCA MOBLEY,  Lawrence Co., MS; she m2. to SOLOMON SUTTON;
3.l--SYLVESTER GWIN - b. Nov. 21, 1830, died Feb. 18, 1891, Issaquena Co.,MS, bd. in Greenwood Cem., Jackson, MS; m. 29 Oct 1863 to SARAH ELIZABETH (LIZZIE) PRESTIDGE; 49 g-grandchildren, one of whom is TORREY  GWIN HUNTER. [John M. Gwin Note, 25 Mar 2004:  The 1850 census of Lawrence Co., MS, shows a student, Sylvester Gwin, 18, living in residence #80 with (1) Thomas F. Mobley, 32, a clerk with assets of $1300 who was b. in MS and married within the year, and (2) his new bride Jane Mobley, age illegible, who was b. in Maine. I assume these Mobleys to be Sylvester's uncle and aunt.]

Sylvester Gwin, Captain of Co A 22nd Miss. Infantry
Posted by: Wilson Farnham (ID *****3927)
Date: October 11, 2005 at 21:13:02
Post #443 of 453

I am seeking information on Captain Sylvester Gwin, who was from Lawrence County, Mississippi. He was a Circuit Clerk there before the Civil War, and enrolled in the Confederate Army as war broke out, receiving the rank of 2nd Lieutenant,then 1st Lt., then Captain of Company A.
After the war, I believe he left the Lawrence County area for maybe Neshoba County? He is said to be buried at Greenwood Cemetery in Jackson, MS. Lincoln County was made from parts of several counties, including Lawrence County and his memory was honored when the old soldiers and women of the county named their United Confederate Veterans Camp the Sylvester Gwin Camp, and the Sylvester Gwin Chapter of the United Daughters of the Confederacy.
I am researching his name and history in advance of our Sons of Confederate Veterans Convention that will be held in Lincoln County this coming June. I would also appreciate any photos of Mr. Gwin.

4.l--LUCIEN CLOUSTON GWIN, b. 3 Jan 1867; d. 22 Feb 1916, Natchez, MS; m. 8 Jul 1903 to ANNIE SHOTWELL GREEN;
4.2--EDGAR C. GWIN, b. ca.1868, d. w/o issue; bd. in Sanford, FL
4.3--LAWRENCE D. GWIN, b. ca.1870, d. in Oct. 1887 while a student at Ole Miss.
4.4--SAMUEL LIZZIE GWIN, b. 1872; d. 5 Jan l94l, Greenwood, MS; m. 1899 to SALLY BARNES HUMPHREYS.
 [John M. Gwin Note, 25 Mar 2004:  The 1880 census of Lawrence Co., MS, shows these four--Lucien C., age 14, Edgar C., age 13, Laurence D., age 11, and Samuel L. Gwin, age 8--living with their father, S. Gwin, an auditor of age 47, in Liberty Grove, Hinds Co., MS.  Adding to the evidence that these could not be the family of our William Gwin is Sylvester's testimony that his father (Joseph) was born in Kentucky.]
3.2--ISAIAH GWIN - b. 21 Nov l830; d. unk., bd. in city cem., Monticello, Lawrence Co., MS; no ch. [John M. Gwin Note, 25 Mar 2004:  The 1850 census of Lawrence Co., MS, shows Isaiah Gwin (age 20) living in residence 14 with Solomon and Rebecca (Mobley Gwin) Sutton--see 2.1 above.]
2.2--WILLIAM GWIN, b. ca. 1810; d. unk.; m. 22 Dec 1830 in Lawrence Co., MS, to SARAH (SUSAN) SUTTON
3.l--MARTHA GWIN,  b. ca 1833
3.2--SARAH GWIN, b. 1837
3.3--FRANCES GWIN ,b. 1838, m. MINOR EDWIN TYNES
3.4--MARTIN GWIN, b. 1840
3.5--ELIZABETH GWIN, b.1842
3.6--JAMES GWIN, b.1843,
3.7--MARGARET GWIN, b.1846
3.8--WILLIAM GWIN, b.1849
3.9--VIRGINIA GWIN, b. 1851
3.10--THOMAS GWIN, b. 1852
3.11--EMILY GWIN, b. 1852
3.12--JOHN GWIN, b. 1854
3.13--MELISSA GWIN, b. 1855
2.3--RICHMOND GWIN, b. in MS ca. 1822; unmarried; living with REBECCA GWIN (see 2.1 above) and her second husband SOLOMON SUTTON on the 1850 Lawrence Co. census roll. [John M. Gwin Note, 25 Mar 2004:  The 1850 census of Lawrence Co., MS, does indeed show Richmond Gwin (age 26, however, not 28) living in residence 14 with the abovementioned Suttons and an Isaiah Gwin, 20 (see 3.2 above, under 2.1 Joseph).]

2.4--[a daughter], b. betw. 1825-1830; d. unk.; m. unk.;


Torrey Gwin Hunter's NOTES:This information is as accurate as I can make it. There are lots of unanswered questions, and my only source for William M. Gwin's 13 children is the 1860 census.

Stan Gwin sent me this web address - we have corresponded a little because I think his William Gwin (gen. 1) is my Joseph Gwin's brother.  This is the same William whose marriage to Susan Sutton on 12/22/1830 is recorded in Bok. 2, Page 70 of the Lawrence County, Mississippi Marriage Records.   I couldn't find this in your [John McDonald Gwin's] line but maybe I missed it; since William Sutton Gwin is your grandfather, the Suttons must be in there somewhere.   I have not been able to go behind Joseph, but I do have documented information from Joseph forward and would love to participate in the web site if you do think the families are connected.

Thanks - Torrey Gwin Hunter   TGHAMA@aol.com
Amarillo, Tx.

[The following excerpt from Torrey's e.mail of 9 Jun 99 is a most interesting addendum!--jmg ]
My attention has only recently turned to a quest for William (the father--1. above)--for years we have all been trying to find out what happened to Joseph.   The story of that puzzle could fill three sheets of regular typing paper, single spaced--in short, we finally discovered he had been killed in the Alamo, but having been in Texas only 7 mos. or so before that unfortunate occurrance,  apparently no one knew he had any family to notify.  If he had not signed a promissory note in Oct. of 1835 which was included with his administration papers, we might not ever have found him.   As it is, the spelling of his last name has only recently been corrected on the marker, and his first name is still wrong almost everywhere (they have him as James).  My husband has teased me for years about stopping in every little place in Texas to inquire about Joseph Gwin.

My advice to the newly initiated--watch out!   Geneaology can be addicting!  - Torrey

to John M. Gwin's page
to Stan P. Gwin's page

More Recent Correspondence:


Subject:     Gwin progress?
Received:    4/26/02 1:00 AM
From:        John Gwin, jmcdgwin@zianet.com
To:          TGHAMA@aol.com

Hi Torrey!

Just stopping in for a minute to say hi!  I hope you and all yours are well.  Have you been able to find out any more in your Gwin line?  It sure looks to me like we're probably related, and someday I sincerely hope we'll find out for sure.    : -)

I've found out quite a bit about my family and have redone my website.  The starting page is now
www.zianet.com/jmcdgwin/gwinrichard.htm

Best to you for now--
In Jesus,
John Gwin
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Subject:     Re: Gwin progress?
Sent:        4/28/20 11:35 AM
Received:    4/26/02 7:30 PM
From:        TGHAMA@aol.com
To:          john, jmcdgwin@zianet.com

Hi - Not much forward progress on this end. Instead I fear that the reverse might be true. Diane Hester, a lady from Montana, found some Louisiana research which seems to indicate that my Joseph Gwin and Stan's William Gwin are not brothers after all. Instead William McNichols Gwin is probably a brother to her Malcolm Gwin.   Still, one nice thing has come of my mystery - I have gotten to "meet" quite a few really nice Gwins via the internet. Keep in touch - Torrey


2007 Correspondence with
Michael A. Gwinn



From: gwinnma@aol.com
Date: May 14, 2007
To: gwinnmaataoldotcomcommajmcdgwinatzianetdotcom
Cc: tghamaataoldotcom
commaraymoeatcharterdotnetcommamichaeltgwinnatmsndotcom
Subject: Re: Joseph GWIN (father of Sylvester GWIN of MS)

On May 14, 2007, at 10:20 AM, Michael A. Gwinn wrote:
 
John, Torry, Michael, & Ray
Hello all, I'm doing fine. You are more than welcome to post my suspicions or opinions; please (John) delete the two previous emails.   I have carbon copied Washington (GWINN's) and Torrey GWIN Hunter in an effort to keep them informed with my speculations.
 
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Some people indicate this Joseph GWIN to be one of the "Defender of the Alamo".   I'm not contesting that, .... but I have some speculations as to who he could possibly be.  What I'm suggesting is that I believe the Joseph GWIN, who appears on the 1830 Lawrence Co., Mississippi Census (father of Civil War Capt Sylvester GWIN) is the same Joseph GWINN who married Rebecca OWENS (1818) and Rebecca MOBLEY (1829) and is the son of James "Jr." GWINN and Mary "Polly" FROGGE who lived in Cumberland Co., KY after 1811.  I believe this to be a logical presumption.
 
Here are some facts and thoughts:
 
1.) Joseph GWINN, who lived in Cumberland & Wayne Co., Kentucky, born 11 Mar 1797, VA (now WV) who married Rebecca OWENS in 28 Jul 1818, Wayne Co., KY, had at least four children:
Sarah Jane (b. 1819),
William F. (b. 1820),
Joseph L. (b. 1824),
Owen P. (b. 1827).

According to a book (Historic Sketches of Walla Walla, Whitman, Columbia and Garfield Counties - Washington Territory by FRANK T. GILBERT, Portland, Oregon, 1882), Joseph L. GWINN (b. 1824) states, "His father went to New Orleans to follow his trade as a carpenter, when the subject of this sketch was but four years old (1828)." (Basically, he abandoned his first wife in 1828.)

a.) Mrs. Rebecca (OWENS) GWINN, as the years rolled by and no tidings came from her absent husband, settled on a farm given to her by her father (Reuben OWENS), raised her children till they married.  Her children convinced her to move near Unionville, in Putman Co., Missouri , around 1845-1846, where they lived until 1864, then moved to Walla Walla Co., WA, until her death in 1867.
 
2.) A researcher (Charles Peyton) has informed Beckie Rawdon (another researcher) in her notes, he claims that this Joseph GWINN (b. 1797), in Cumberland & Wayne Co., KENTUCKY, was the son of James "Jr." GWINN (b. 1774) and Mary "Polly" FROGGE (b. 1775).  (I agree with Charles Peyton on this.)
 
a.) James "Jr." GWINN, was son of James "Sr." GWINN (b.1744) and Nancy CARLILE (b. 1750), grandson of Robert GWIN (b.1717/1725) and JeanKINCAID (b.1720/1724) of Calf Pasture, Augusta Co. VA.   Proven is that James "Jr." GWINN's brother Joseph GWINN (b. 1783), married Mary "Polly"TAYLOR (b. 1786) and their 1st child was named SYLVESTER GWINN (b. 1805).   This makes Joseph (b. 1783) the uncle of Joseph (b. 1797), andSYLVESTER (b. 1805), a 1st cousin of Joseph GWINN (b. 1797).
 
b.) James "Jr." GWINN and Mary "Polly" FROGGE had at least 9 children, "Jesse Blaine GWIN, published that they had 12 children, but I believe that (12) count was a mis-inturpation of the 1820 Cumberland Co., KY census. Jesse should not have counted those engaged in agriculture, but did.
 
c.) One of James "Jr." GWINN and Mary "Polly" FROGGE children, was George (brother of suspected Joseph GWIN).   George GWINN married Jane DAVIS and their children were: James M. (ca. 1828), 1-female unknown (ca. 1825/1830), 1-male unknown (1825/1830, suspect my Francis MarionGWINN), John M. (b. 1830), George W. (b. Nov 1832), SYLVESTER L. (b. 1835), Cyrus W. (b. 1837), William R. (b. 1842), Alfred C. (b. 1845), Martha E. (b. 1847), Mary A. (b. 1852).   (now we have two brothers, each naming a son SYLVESTER).
 
3) Monticello, Lawrence Co., Mississippi ... is only 160 miles, due north of New Orleans, Louisiana.
 
4) Lawrence County - Mississippi Marriages Records, 1826-1900
Name: JOSEPH GWINN    Spouse: REBECCA MOBLEY    Marriage Date: 08 Mar 1829
 
5) Concerning Richmond GWIN, and the 1830, Lawrence Co., MS census of Joseph GWIN (below), Richmond is recorded as one of males age 10-15 years old, which means in 1850 he should've been 30-35, but 1850 census indicates he's 26 years old (below). I believe the 1850 census to be in error. Either way, I do not believe Richmond was a son of Joseph GWIN, a cousin, nephew, or younger brother. I do not think he he was a son of Rebecca MOBLEY.
 
" If " the 1850 census was correct, .... then Rebecca MOBLEY would've been 12-13 years old when she had Richmond, but I believe he was slightly older, which means he definitely would've been even younger, combined with the fact that they (Joseph GWINN and Rebecca MOBLEY) did not marry till 1829.
 
6) I do not believe the 1830 Lawrence Co., Mississippi, Census is quite true.  It indicates that Joseph GWIN was 20-30, and I believe him to be slightly older (33 years old), but since his mother-in-law was living with them (1830), "I believe, it was possibly easier" for them to marry, if everyone thought he was slightly younger.
 
7) Most importantly "Sylvester GWIN" indicates his father's birth state as "KENTUCKY" on the 1880 Census.
 
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1830 Census Lawrence, Mississippi; Roll: 71; Page: 53.
line 14 GWIN, Joseph 2 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 // 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
line 14 GWIN, Joseph 2m_0&u5, 1m_10&u15, 1m_20&u30, 1f_15&u20, 1f_50&u60.
2m_0&u5 posb. sons Sylvester & Isaiah b. abt 1825 - 1830
1m_10&u15 posb. Richmond GWIN b. abt 1815 - 1820
1m_20&u30 Head-H Joseph GWIN b. abt 1800 - 1810 <---- XXXX
1f_15&u20 wife Rebecca MOBLEY b. abt 1810 - 1815
1f_50&u60 posb M-n-lw Nancy (COX) MOBLEY b. abt 1770 - 1780
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1840 Census Lawrence, Mississippi; Roll: 216; Page: 66.
line 31 MOBLEY, Nancy 0 0 2 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 // 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
line 31 MOBLEY, Nancy 2m_10&u15, 2m_15&u20, 2m_20&u30, 1f_20&u30, 1f_50&u60.
2m_10&u15 posb. G-son Sylvester & Isiah GWIN b. abt 1825 - 1830
2m_15&u20 posb. unknown or Richmond GWIN b. abt 1820 - 1825
2m_20&u30 posb. unknown or Richmond GWIN b. abt 1810 - 1820
1f_20&u30 posb. dau Rebecca GWIN b. abt 1810 - 1820 <----- XXXX
1f_50&u60 Head-H Nancy MOBLEY b. abt 1780 - 1790
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1850 Census Lawrence, Mississippi; Roll: M432_375; Page: 403; Image: 361.
80 80 Mobly, Thomas F. M w 32 Clerk 3000 MS
---   Jane F w 1/2 ME
Gwin, Sylvester M w 18 Student MS   <------ XXXX (staying with Uncle / cousin)
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1850 Census Lawrence, Mississippi; Roll: M432_375; Page: 398; Image: 351.
14 14 Sutton, Solomon Jr M w 37 Farmer GA
---- Rebecca F w 38 400 TN                 <------ XXXX
Gwin, Isaih M w 20 Farmer MS
---- Richmond M w 26 MS  ( I believe Richmond is older )
15 15 Mobly, Clement M w 29 Farmer 800 MS
---- Thornton M w 27 Farmer MS
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1860 Census Lawrence, MS; Post Office: Monticello Roll: M653_584; Page: 0; Image: 408.
657 658 Guin, S. M w 29 Circuit Clerk 6000 MS   <------ XXXX
--- Isiah M w 29 Farmer MS
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1870 Census Monticello, Lawrence, MS; Roll: M593_735; Page: 174; Image: 348.
17 17 Gwin, Silvester M w 39 Merchant 3000 MS    <------ XXXX
--- Sarah E. F w 38 12000 5000 MS
--- Lucien C. M w 04 MS
--- Edgar C. M w 02 MS
--- Lawrence D. M w 01 MS
--- A sarah (Isiah) M w 39 Grocer 500 MS
Butler, Wm. C. M w 34 Clerk in store 650 MS
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1880 Liberty Grove, Hinds, MS; Roll: T9_648; Film: 1254648; Pg: 108.2000; ED: 5; Image: 0585.
372 392 Gwin, S. M w 47 self Auditor MS KY MS       <------ XXXX
--- Lucien C. M w 14 son MS MS MS
--- Edgar C. M w 13 son MS MS MS
--- Lawrence D. M w 11 son MS MS MS
--- Samuel L. M w 08 son MS MS MS
Clay, Daniel M mu 35 servant MS
Morton, Mary F mu 23 servant MS
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Respectfully,
Michael A. Gwinn
gwinnmaataoldotcom