guinnwilliamwiley.htm

William Wiley Guinn
and
Nancy Emily Dunlap

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SOURCES:

01. Mrs. Kathryn Guinn, wife of a gg-grandson of William Wiley and Nancy Emily Dunlap Guinn
02. Various census data (see below)

An Outline of the Known Family

[24.00--possibly]--Samuel Guinn, b. ca. 1824

24.00--William Wiley "Wiley" Guinn, b. 25 Dec 1834 in MS (or AL?) [listed as Wylie W. Guinn, age 65, b. Dec 1834 in MS, in the 20 Jun 1900 census of Saline Twp., Drew Co., AR]; d. 4 Sep 1902 in Drew Co., AR (prob. Saline Twp.); bd. in Rough and Ready Cem., Monticello, Drew Co., AR (see: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=21079535.); m. Nancy Emily "Emily" Dunlap (b. 3 Jul 1837 in TN [listed as Emmin N. Guinn, age 63, b. Jul 1836 in AR, in the 20 Jun 1900 census of Saline Twp., Drew Co., AR]; d. 23 May 1918 in (prob.) Saline, Drew Co., AR; bd. in Rough and Ready Cem., Monticello, Drew Co., AR (see: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=21079535.); 7 ch. [Emily reports 4 of 7 children still living in the 20 Jun 1900 census of Saline Twp., Drew Co., AR];

25.01--Elminia E. (Emeline?) Guinn, b. ca. 1868 in AR;

25.02--John F. M. Guinn, b. 12 Feb 1868; d. 5 Mar 1895 in AR; descendents possible

25.03--James R. R. Guinn, b. 31 May 1870; d. 3 Dec 1891 in AR; descendents possible

25.04--Samuel L. Guinn, b. ca. 1872 in AR;

25.05--Susan B. Guinn, b. ca. 1873 in AR;

25.06--William Jefferson Guinn, b. 31 Dec 1876 (or 1874) in Wilma (prob. Wilmar), AR [listed as William J. Guinn, age 23, b. Dec 1876 in AR, in the 20 Jun 1900 census of Saline Twp., Drew Co., AR]; d. 1956 in Hidalgo Co., AR; bd. unk.; m. Lena May "May" Jordan (b. 1881 in Monticello, AR; d. 10 Mar 1970 in San Antonio, TX; at least 8 ch.

26.01--Pearl Lee Guinn, b. 21 Jun 1904 in Wilma (prob. Wilmar), AR;

26.02--John Franklin Guinn, b. 21 Jun 1904 in Wilma (prob. Wilmar), AR; (born 1 Dec 1905 in Wilma, AR - probably "Wilmar")

26.03--Wiley Eli Guinn, b. 21 Jun 1904 in Wilma (prob. Wilmar), AR; (born 18 Oct 1909 in Wilma, AR - probably "Wilmar")

26.04--Gladys Edith Guinn, b. 21 Jun 1904 in Wilma (prob. Wilmar), AR; (born 2 Jun 1915 in Plantersville, AR)

26.05--Floy Belle Guinn "Belle", b. 24 Sep 1917 in Plantersville, AR; d. 28 Feb 2005, Las Vegas, NV; bd. unk.); at least 1 ch.

27.00--G-grandchild of WWG, [PRIVATE]

28.00--Gg-grandchild of WWG, [PRIVATE]; m. Kathryn, contributor [PRIVATE]

26.06--Justin William Guinn (born 6 Jun 1921 in Edinburg, TX)

6.07--Margaret Louise Guinn "Margie" (born 18 Aug 1923 in Edinburg, TX; died 26 Jul 2003 last residence Glendale, AZ)

6.08--Oscar Albertus Guinn (born 23 Jan 1927 in Edinburg, TX)

5.07--Alonzo N. Guinn, b. ca. 1879 in AR;

Some Pertinent CensusData

From the 18 Jun 1870 Census of Monticello P. O., Marian Twp., Drew Co., AR

Res/Fam	Name	Race/ Sex	Age	Est DOB fr. age	POB	Occ.	John M. Gwin Comments
421/421	William Grisam	wm	35	1835	AL	farmer	Amazing. Ancestry.com did not mistranscribe this--the enumerator wrote it this way--GRISAM!
	Nancy E. Grisam	wf	33	1837	TN	keeping house
	Emeline Grisam	wf	2	1868	AR
	John F. Grisam	wm	1	1869	AR
	James R. Grisam	wm	1mo.	May 1870	AR

From the 14 Jun 1880 Census of Ouachita Twp., Hot Springs Co., AR

Res/Fam	Name	Race/ Sex	Age	Est DOB fr. age	Relat 2HoH	POB S/F/M	Occ.	John M. Gwin Comments
152/178	Wm. W. Guinn	wm	45	1835	head	MS/--/--	farmer	This is clearly the family of our subject, William Wiley Guinn
	Emily Guinn	wf	44	1836	wifw	TN/KY/TN	keeping house	Listed here as Emily, in 1870 as Nancy, and in 1900 as Emmin N., there is no doubt as to her identity in any of the three censuses. In 1900 she reports that 4 of her seven children are still living, which confirms that the seven children listed here must indeed be all of her children.
	Elminia E. Guinn	wf	12	1868	daughter	AR/MS/TN	at home
	John F. Guinn	wm	11	1869	son	AR/MS/TN	at home
	James R. R. Guinn	wm	10	1870	son	AR/MS/TN	at home
	Samuel L. Guinn	wm	8	1872	son	AR/MS/TN
	Susan B. Guinn	wf	7	1873	daughter	AR/MS/TN
	Wm. J. Guinn	wm	5	1875	son	AR/MS/TN
	Alonzo N. Guinn	wm	1	1879	son	AR/MS/TN

From the 20 Jun 1900 Census of Saline Twp., Drew Co., AR

StreetRes/Fam	Name	Relat to HoH	Race/ Sex	Age	DOB	MS/ Yrs.Md.	#Ch./ #Lvg.	POB S/F/M	Occ.	John M. Gwin Comments
-----/313/315 (124/126)	Wylie W. Guinn	head	wm	65	Dec 1834	m/35		MS/UN/UN	farmer	This is our subject, William Wylie Guinn.
	Emmin N. Guinn	wife	wf	63	Jul 1836	m/35	7/4	AR/UN/UN		This is clearly Emmie N. (Nancy Emily or Emiline), though it was mistranscribed as "Eunice" by Ancestry.com. She reports here that three of her seven children have died, confirming that the seven children listed in 1880 are all of their children--there are no others. Kathryn Guinn reports that John F. and James R. are two of the three who have died by 1900. The third is still unknown to us.
	William J. Guinn	son	wm	23	Dec 1876	s		AR/MS/AR	farm laborer	This is William Jefferson Guinn, their 6th-born, still living at home and helping his dad on the farm.

From the 16 Apr 1910 Census of Saline Twp., Drew Co., AR

StreetRes/Fam	Name	Relat to HoH	Race/ Sex	Age	Est. DOB	MS/ Yrs.Md.	#Ch./ #Lvg.	POB S/F/M	Occ.	John M. Gwin Comments
----/19/19	William J. Guinn	head	wm	32	1878	m1/6		AR/MS/TN	farmer, general farm	This is William Jefferson Guinn. He here reports that his father was b. in MS (further confirmation that Wm. Wiley Guinn was not b. in AL).
	May Guinn	wife	wf	28	1882	m1/6	3/3	AR/MS/AR
	Pearl L. Guinn	daughter	wf	5	1905	s		AR/AR/AR
	John F. Guinn	son	wm	4	1906	s		AR/AR/AR
	Wylie E. Guinn	son	wm	6mo.	Nov 1909	s		AR/AR/AR
	Emily Guinn	mother	wf	73	1837	wd.		TN/TN/KY		Emily is a widow here, confirming that her husband, William Wiley Guinn, died between 1900 and 1910. She also states here that her parents were born in TN and KY.

From the 19 Jan 1920 Census of Clear Creek, Drew Co., AR

StreetRes/Fam	Name	Relat to HoH	Race/ Sex	Age	Est. DOB	POB S/F/M	Occ.	John M. Gwin Comments
Plantersville Mills Place Road (FM) 82/82	William J. Guinn	head	wm	42	1878	AR/MS/AR	farmer, general farm	This is William Jefferson Guinn.
	Lena M. Guinn	wife	wf	33	1887	AR/AR/AR		This is William's wife, Lena May.
	Pearl L. Guinn	daughter	wf	15	1905	AR/AR/AR
	John F. Guinn	son	wm	14	1906	AR/AR/AR		I wonder if this John F. was named for his uncle who died in the 1890's.
	Ely W. Guinn	son	wm	10	1910	AR/AR/AR
	Glades S. Guinn	daughter	wf	4yr., 6mo.	Jul 1915	AR/AR/AR		This is Gladys S. Guinn
	Floy B. Guinn	daughter	wf	2yr., 3mo.	Nov 1917	AR/AR/AR

Some Good Communication

From: MK <pppaaagggatgmaildotcom>
Date: November 9, 2008
To: jmcdgwin@zianet.com
Subject: William Wiley Guinn - Born in Alabama/Mississippi 25 Dec 1834; Died 4 Sep 1902 Drew County, Arkansas

Dear Mr. Guinn,

I was so excited and thankful to find your website (http://www.zianet.com/jmcdgwin/gwinrichard.htm) last night. We have been trying to find the ancestors of my husband's great-great-grandfather William Wiley Guinn. William Wiley Guinn is listed on various census documents as being born in either Alabama or Mississippi. He was born on 25 Dec 1834 and died on 4 Sep 1902 in Drew County, Arkansas (probably Saline Township).

1. In the 1880 and 1900 censuses he is listed as being born in Mississippi and the place of his parents' birth is listed as unknown. In 1880 and 1900 he was living in Saline, Drew County, Arkansas.

2. I believe I found him in the 1860 census in Magnolia, Columbia, Arkansas living as an "overseer" in an attorney's household (Benjamin and Susan Askew - Susan was born in Alabama). The name on that census was "Wiley Gwin" and he is listed as being born in Mississippi.

3. I definitely found our William Guinn in the 1870 census listed as "William Grisom?" born in Alabama. At that point he is with his wife, Nancy Emily [Dunlap] with their young children. They were in Marion, Drew County, Arkansas.

4. In 1910, his son William Jefferson Guinn listed William Wiley Guinn as being born in Mississippi.

5. He died in 1902 and is buried in Monticello, Drew County, Arkansas in the Rough and Ready Cemetery (see: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=21079535.)

So, it appears that the only place he is listed as being born in Alabama is the 1870 census. It seems more likely that he was born in Mississippi.

I found I a Samuel Guinn listed in the 1860 census for Saline, Drew County, Arkansas. He was 10 years older than my William Wiley Guinn and was listed as being born in Alabama. His first three children were listed as being born in Mississippi and his next four children were listed as being born in Arkansas. It made me wonder if he could have been an older brother of my William Wiley Guinn and if that could have been the reason that William Wiley Guinn's family eventually settled in Saline, Arkansas. I will attach the census documents in case you would like to see them.

Thanks for any help you might be able to give our family!

Kathryn in Virginia

Hi John!

Below is the information I have compiled so far. We REALLY appreciate all of the help you are giving to us by posting the information at your website! Those highlighted in yellow and underlined are my husband's ancestors. The dates, etc. have been obtained from the census documents, findagrave.com, and Lena May [Jordan] Guinn's Bible record.

Thanks again so much!

Kathryn

1 William Wiley Guinn "Wiley" (born 25 Dec 1834 in Mississippi or Alabama; died 4 Sep 1902 in probably Saline, Drew County, AR; buried in Monticello, AR [Rough and Ready Cemetery]; married in about 1865 in probably Marion, Drew County, AR)
   + Nancy Emily Dunlap "Emily" (born 3 Jul 1837 in Tennessee; died May 23, 1918 in probably Saline, Drew County, AR; buried in Monticello, AR [Rough and Ready Cemetery])
       2 Elminia E. (Emeline?) Guinn (born abt 1868 in Arkansas)
       2 John F. M. Guinn (born 12 Feb 1868; died 5 Mar 1894 in Arkansas)
       2 James R. R. Guinn (born 31 May 1870; died 3 Dec 1891 in Arkansas)
       2 Samuel L. Guinn (born abt 1872 in Arkansas)
       2 Susan B. Guinn (abt 1873 in Arkansas)
       2 William Jefferson Guinn (born 31 Dec 1876 - or 1874 in Wilma/Wilmar? or Monticello, AR; died 1956 in Hidalgo County, AR)
            + Lena May Jordan "May" (born 1881 in Monticello, AR; died 10 Mar 1970 in San Antonio, TX)
                 3 Pearl Lee Guinn (born 21 Jun 1904 in Wilma, AR - probably "Wilmar")
                 3 John Franklin Guinn (born 1 Dec 1905 in Wilma, AR - probably "Wilmar")
                 3 Wiley Eli Guinn (born 18 Oct 1909 in Wilma, AR - probably "Wilmar")
                 3 Gladys Edith Guinn (born 2 Jun 1915 in Plantersville, AR)
                 3 Floy Belle Guinn "Belle" (born 24 Sep 1917 in Plantersville, AR; died 28 Feb 2005 Las Vegas, NV)
                 3 Justin William Guinn (born 6 Jun 1921 in Edinburg, TX)
                 3 Margaret Louise Guinn "Margie" (born 18 Aug 1923 in Edinburg, TX; died 26 Jul 2003 last residence Glendale, AZ)
                 3 Oscar Albertus Guinn (born 23 Jan 1927 in Edinburg, TX)
       2 Alonzo N. Guinn (born abt. 1879 in Arkansas)

From: MK <pppaaagggatgmaildotcom>
Date: September 10, 2009
To: genealogy@prodigy.net
Cc: mldyarbataoldotcom, John Gwin <jmcdgwin@zianet.com>, RLitch616ataoldotcom
Subject: Chesley R. Gwinn - William Wiley Gwinn/Guinn

Hi Ms. Ward!

Thank you for posting your Gwinn family history information at http://www.zianet.com/jmcdgwin/gwinnchesleyleviniaclay.htm. Diane Yarbrough brought the website to my attention. I have previously posted at John Gwin's pages also at: http://www.zianet.com/jmcdgwin/guinnwilliamwiley.htm (two minor corrections to the info on that page -- my husband is the great-grandson of the William Jefferson Guinn mentioned there). After Diane brought your webpage to my attention and after doing some researching, I believe that my husband's great-great-grandfather, William Wiley Guinn, was the son of Chesley R. Gwinn and Levinia Clay. A quick background summary: my husband's parents died when my husband was very young, and he was adopted and raised by his grandmother, Floy Belle Guinn (her maiden name). She was the daughter of William Jefferson Guinn (and Lena May Jordan), who was the son of William Wiley Guinn (and Nancy Emily Dunlap). My husband and I both had numerous conversations with Belle about her parents and grandparents. Besides that, we have found census documents, etc., for those families. Here is the info that I have:

1. William Wiley Guinn at times went by his middle name (spelled various different ways including Wiley and Wylie).

2. There was a Wiley Gwin in Magnolia, Columbia, Arkansas in 1860, age 26, born in Mississippi, and living in 1860 in the Askew household. Mr. Askew was a "lawyer & farmer" and Wiley Gwin was an "overseer". I believe this was my William Wiley Guinn.

3. My William Wiley Guinn and his wife, Nancy Emily [Dunlap] Guinn, were with their family in 1870 in Marion, Drew, Arkansas. They had three children: a daughter named "Emiline" (age 2), a son named "John F." (age 1), and a son named "James R." (age 1/12 months). William Wiley Guinn was listed as William Guinn (the last name appears to read "Grisom"), age 35, born in Alabama.

4. My William Wiley Guinn and his wife, Nancy Emily [Dunlap] Guinn, were with their family in 1880 in Ouachita Township, Hot Springs, Arkansas. His name appears as "Wm W. Guinn" with wife "Emily". They had seven children: Elminia E. (age 12), John F. (age 11), James R. R. (age 10), Samuel L. (age 8), Susan B. (age 7), "Wm. J." age 5 (this is my husband's ancestor), and Alonzo N. (age 1). William Wiley Guinn was listed as being age 45 and being born in Mississippi. (As a side note, I believe their oldest daughter's name might have been "Elvinia" instead of "Elminia" and that her name was a cross between Nancy Emily's mother's name "Elizabeth" and William Wiley's mother's name "Levinia". Just a theory!)

5. My William Wiley Guinn and his wife, Nancy Emily [Dunlap] Guinn, were with their son, William Jefferson Guinn, in 1900 in Saline, Drew, Arkansas. William Wiley Guinn was listed as "Wylie W. Guinn". He was listed as being born in December 1834 in Mississippi, being married for 35 years (married in about 1865). His wife is listed as being the mother of 7 children, 4 still living.

6. I found William Wiley and Nancy Emily [Dunlap] Guinn at findagrave.com with their sons John F. and James R. R. Guinn. They are buried at Rough and Ready Cemetery in Monticello, Drew Co., Arkansas. Here is the info found there:

W.W. Guinn - b. December 25, 1834 d. September 4, 1902
Nancy Emily Guinn - b. July 3, 1837 d. May 23, 1918
John F. M. Guinn - b. February 12, 1868 d. March 5, 1894 "s/o W.W. & N.E. Guinn"
James R. R. Guinn - b. May 31, 1870 d. December 3, 1891 "s/o W.W. & N.E. Guinn"
Here are the links (for William Wiley and Nancy Emily):
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSsr=41&GScid=56023&GRid=21079535&
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSsr=41&GScid=56023&GRid=21079527&

7. When searching for William Wiley Guinn in the 1850 and 1860 censuses, I found a Samuel Guinn, with a wife, Mary, in the 1860 federal census in Saline, Drew, Arkansas (where William Wiley and Nancy Emily [Dunlap] Guinn were in 1900 and probably until the time they died). This Samuel Guinn was 36 years old (born about 1824). Both he and his wife, Mary, were listed as being born in Alabama. Their first three children (Nancy A., Zachariah, and William H.) were listed as being born in Mississippi. Samuel and Mary's younger four children (Chestley R., Martha L., Josephine, and Francis M.) were listed as being born in Arkansas. At the time I found this document, I thought that this was possibly an older brother of my William Wiley Guinn. They both had the Alabama/Mississippi connection, same generation, and they both ended up in Saline, Drew, Arkansas. After seeing your webpage and the One World Tree for Chesley R. Gwinn and Levinia Clay, I believe that these two Guinn men (Samuel and William Wiley) that ended up in Saline, Drew, Arkansas) were brothers and were the sons of Chesley R. Gwinn and Levinia Clay.

8. I just located the census document that you mentioned on your webpage for Samuel Gwinn in 1850 in Lauderdale, Mississippi (the son of Chesley and Levinia Gwinn) (page 27 of 60 for "not stated", Lauderdale County). The surname appears to be "Givan". However, the family matches that of the Samuel and Mary Guinn family in Saline, Drew, Arkansas. The children in Lauderdale in 1850 were Nancy, Zachary T., and Henry Clay. Plus, the Samuel Guinn family in 1860 in Saline had the son Chestley R. Guinn, which was probably a misspelling of Chesley R. Guinn. Samuel probably was naming that son after Samuel's father.

9. In 1850, two pages after the record for Samuel Gwinn in Lauderdale, Mississippi, I believe my William Wiley Guinn is listed at the top of the page (page 29 of 60). His older sister Elizabeth is the last name listed on the previous page (page 28 of 60). They are living next door and near the Clay families (Levinia Clay Gwinn's siblings). William's name appears as "Wm Wayne". His sister's last name appears to read Gwin or Guin.

10. There are also IRS tax documents at ancestry.com for a Chesley R. Gwin (1865, Athens [possibly Selma area], Alabama), C. R. Gwinn (1868, Hot Springs, Arkansas), and C. R. Gwinn (1869, Hot Springs, Arkansas). I wonder if this was Chesley and Levinia's son Chesley? There was also a military listing for Confederate Civil War Soldiers for a C. R. Guinn with the alternate name of Richard C. Guinn from Arkansas. I wonder if that could be the son of Chesley and Levinia? There are other Chesley Gwins listed from Alabama in the Confederate Civil War soldiers listings.

11. There is a pension record listed for William Wiley Guinn (listed as Wylie W. Guinn) at http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&ik=aebf95a2af&view=att&th=1239d070d17399c3&attid=0.6&disp=inline&zw. (Thank you so much to Diane Yarbrough for finding that document!)

Well, I had better stop here before this email gets way too long! If you are interested in information about William Jefferson Guinn's family (son of William Wiley Guinn), please let me know. I will try to attach some of the documents I mentioned above.

Thanks!

Kathryn

P.S. I will copy this email to John Gwin, Rita Litchfield, and Diane Yarbrough.

10.01--James Gwin, b. ca. 1852 in TX [listed as James Gwin, age 18, b. TX, in the 18 Jun 1870 census of Pine Bluff P.O., Bartholomew Twp., Jefferson Co., AR, and living with an Anna Tarkenett]; d. unk.; bd. unk.; m. unk. (b. unk.; d. unk.; bd. unk.); unk. ch.

10.02--Daniel Gwin, b. ca. 1854 in TX [listed as Daniel Gwin, age 16, b. TX, in the 18 Jun 1870 census of Pine Bluff P.O., Bartholomew Twp., Jefferson Co., AR, and living with an Anna Tarkenett]; d. unk.; bd. unk.; m. unk. (b. unk.; d. unk.; bd. unk.); unk. ch.

10.03--Arminta "Jane" "Ann" "Mittie" Gwin, b. 4 May 1857 in TX [listed as Arminta Gwin, age 13, b. TX, in the 18 Jun 1870 census of Pine Bluff P.O., Bartholomew Twp., Jefferson Co., AR, and living with an Anna Tarkenett]; [listed as Armidda Green, age 20, b. TX, in the 7 Jun 1880 census of Whiteville Twp., Dorsey Co., AR]; [listed as Arminty Green, age 43, b. TX, in the 12 Jun 1900 census of Mill Creek Twp., Linclon Co., AR]; d. 27 Jun 1924 in Star City, Lincoln Co., AR; bd. Hickory Grove Cem., Lincoln Co., AR; m. 8 Aug 1875 in Dorsey (now Cleveland) Co., AR, to Thomas Jefferson Green (b. 25 Jan 1850 in MS [listed as Thomas Green, age 30, b. AR, in the 7 Jun 1880 census of Whiteville Twp., Dorsey Co., AR]; [listed as Thomas Green, age 30, b. AR, in the 12 Jun 1900 census of Mill Creek Twp., Linclon Co., AR]; d. 27 Dec 1919 in Star City, Lincoln Co., AR; bd. unk.); at least six ch. (see photo, right)

11.01--Reuben Ebenezer Green, b. 27 Jan 1877 in Rest, AR [listed as Reuben Green, age 3, b. AR, in the 7 Jun 1880 census of Whiteville Twp., Dorsey Co., AR]; [not listed as living at home in the 12 Jun 1900 census of Mill Creek Twp., Linclon Co., AR, and assumed married and living elsewhere]; d. 17 Sep 1955 in Star City, Lincoln Co., AR; bd. unk.; m. unk.; unk. ch. descendants possible

11.02--John B. Green, b. 28 Oct 1880 in AR [listed as John Green, age 19, b. AR, in the 12 Jun 1900 census of Mill Creek Twp., Linclon Co., AR]; d. 9 Oct 1923; bd. unk.; m. unk.; unk. ch. descendants possible

11.03--Thomas Delmond Green (see photo, right), b. 28 Jul 1886 in AR [listed as Delmon Green, age 13, b. AR, in the 12 Jun 1900 census of Mill Creek Twp., Linclon Co., AR]; d. 16 Mar 1950 in AR; bd. unk.; m. unk.; unk. ch. descendants possible

11.04--Americus Green, daughter, presumed b. ca. 1890 [not listed as living at home in the 12 Jun 1900 census of Mill Creek Twp., Linclon Co., AR, and assumed to be one of the two children reported deceased in this census]; d. bef. 1900; bd. Hickory Grove Cem., Lincoln Co., AR; m. never; no ch. descendants not possible

11.05--Nora Green, daughter, presumed b. ca. 1894 [not listed as living at home in the 12 Jun 1900 census of Mill Creek Twp., Linclon Co., AR, and assumed to be one of the two children reported deceased in this census]; d. bef. 1900; bd. Hickory Grove Cem., Lincoln Co., AR; m. never; no ch. descendants not possible

11.06--William Edgar "Ed" Green (see photo, right), b. 26 May 1898 in AR [listed as Edgar Green, age 2, b. AR, in the 12 Jun 1900 census of Mill Creek Twp., Linclon Co., AR]; d. 12 Feb 1979 in Russelville, Pope Co., AR; bd. unk.; m. unk.; unk. ch. descendants possible

11.00--Diane's great-grandparent (one of the above four living in 1900, not another)

12.00--Diane's grandparent,

13.00--Diane's parent,

14.00--Diane Yarbrough, contributor

Diane graciously sent us this photo, taken

ca. 1905-1910 in Star City, Lincoln Co., AR:

l-r, Armita Jane/Arminta Ann(nee Gwin) Green; William Edgar "Ed" Green, Thomas Delmond Green (standing), Thomas Jefferson Green

Some Pertinent Census and Other Data

From the 18 Jun 1870 Census of Pine Bluff P. O., Bartholomew Twp., Jefferson Co., AR

Res/Fam	Name	Race/ Sex	Age	Est DOB fr. age	POB	Occ.	John M. Gwin Comments
98/98	Anna Turkenett or Tarkenett	wf	49	1821	MS	housekeeping	Diane Yarbrough says that Arminta's parents were b. in Mississippi, according to the 1880 census. Since young Arminta and her brothers are here in AR with Anna Turkenett who was also b. in MS, might we speculate that Anna is Arminta's maternal aunt, nee Gwin, and perhaps war widow of Mr. Turkenett/Tarkenett? The 1870 census shows that all over the South, families who were able to do so were taking in war orphans and widows in large quantities. (E.g., see my own gg-grandfather, William Gwin, in 1870.) Further, these expanded families were pooling their resources to survive the economic devastation in the War's and Reconstruction's wake. Might we then further speculate that this Lemon Monk, 14, and who we also speculate to be Lemon's brother, William, 7, living next door in household 99, are such war orphans?
	James Gwin	wm	18	1852	TX	farm hand
	Daniel Gwin	wm	16	1854	TX	farm hand
	Arminta Gwin	wf	13	1857	TX
	Lemon Monk	wm	14	1856	AR

From the 7 Jun 1880 Census of Whiteville Twp., Dorsey (now Cleveland) Co., AR

Res/Fam	Name	Race/ Sex	Age	Est DOB fr. age	Relat 2HoH	POB S/F/M	Occ.	John M. Gwin Comments
44/44	Thomas Green	wm	30	1850	head	AR/KY/KY	farmer laborer	Thomas Jefferson Green (see photo above)
	Armidda Green	wf	20	1860	wife	TX/MS/MS	farmer laborer	Arminta Anne "Jane" (nee Gwin) Green (see photo above)
	Reuben Green	wm	3	1877	son	AR/AR/TX

From the 12 Jun 1880 Census of Sugar Loaf, Van Buren Co., AR

Res/Fam	Name	Race/ Sex	Age	Est DOB fr. age	Relat 2HoH	POB S/F/M	Occ.	John M. Gwin Comments
148/150	J. B. Jinkins	wm	55	1827	head	NC/NC/NC	farmer	We have no idea as to who this person might be. Living next door to this J. B. are an Abner Jinkins and his wife Elizabeth. Abner is the same age as James--28.
	Clementine Jinkins	wf	50	1830	wife	NC/NC/NC	keeping house
	James Gwin	wm	28	1852	hired	TX/----/----	farm laborer	Diane thinks this is Arminta's brother James. Granted, he has the right age and POB; nevertheless, it seems to me that this is inconclusive, especially since there is so much distance between Van Buren and Cleveland counties. I think for now that we should be more tentative in calling this our James.

Above are copies Diane sent of, top to bottom, the Bond for
Marriage License, the Marriage License itself, the Certificate of
Marriage, and the Certificate of Record. They confirm that
(1) on 31 July 1875, Thomas J. Green and John W. Corden (or
Corder) bound themselves in the amount of $100 to Dorsey
Co., AR, if Thomas failed to marry Mittie Gwyn within 60 days;
(2) on 31 July 1875, the county clerk of Dorsey Co., AR,
commanded that Thos. J. Green, 25, and Mittie Gwyn, 18, be
married by anyone authorized to do so;
(3) on 8 Aug 1875, Laban F. Oaks, Justice of the Peace of
Dorsey Co., AR, lawfully married them, and
(4) on 11 Sep 1875, the Dorsey Co. Circuit Court clerk filed
the above license and certificate in Marriage Records Book
One, page 11.

From the 12 Jun 1900 Census of Mill Creek Twp., Lincoln Co., AR

StreetRes/Fam	Name	Relat to HoH	Race/ Sex	Age	DOB	MS/ Yrs.Md.	#Ch./ #Lvg.	POB S/F/M	Occ.	John M. Gwin Comments
134/145	Thomas Green	head	wm	50	Jan/Jun 1850	m/25		AR/KY/KY	farmer	This is Thomas Jefferson Green (see photo above)
	Arminty Green	wife	wf	43	May 1857	m/25	6/4	TX/TN/TN		This is Arminta Ann "Jane" Green (nee Gwin--see photo above)
	John Green	son	wm	19	Oct 1880	s		AR/AR/TX	farmer
	Delmon Green	son	wm	13	Jul 1886	s		AR/AR/TX		This is Thomas Delmond Green (see photo above)
	Edgar Green	son	wm	2	May 1898	s		AR/AR/TX		This is William Edgar "Ed" Green (see photo above)

From: Diane Yarbrough
Date: October 7, 2009
To: jmcdgwin@zianet.com
Subject: Gwin: "As-of-Yet UnRelated Family" Armita Jane Gwynn Green

Mr. Gwin,

I have run across your webpage "As-of-Yet UnRelated Family." May I contribute what little information I have regarding my gg-grandmother and her two brothers to this page? They are Gwynns. Of course this is the spelling my family recognizes, but the surname has been spelled several ways. I believe that these siblings were abandoned, so who really knows the correct spelling of the name.

I can supply the few censuses that I have from Arkansas and Armita's marriage record. Over the past six months, I have recruited help from several Gwin, Gwyn, Guin researchers and have yet to have any progress. My hope is that by adding my information to your website page that someone will recognize my branch of the family. After looking at your webpage, I think, through wild speculation of my own, there might be a connection with William Wiley Guinn. William and Armita were living in adjacent counties and buried only 30 miles from each other.

I have only been able to track my gg-grandmother Armita Jane (Arminta Ann, nickname Mittie) back to an 1870 census (see above) which shows she and her brothers were born in Texas. An 1880 census shows both her parents were born in Mississippi. Armita and her two older brothers, James and David, show up in Arkansas in 1870 living in the Turkenett household. I have no clue as to the names of Armita's parents. By 1880 Armita is married, and her two brothers go their separate ways.

If adding may family information is amenable with you, please let me know in what type of format you would like to have the information.

(I have attached a photo of her just for kicks. There is not much resemblance at all.)

Your help would be greatly appreciated!

Diane Yarbrough
Dallas, Texas

John,

Thank you so much for agreeing to add my family information. I do believe that there will be a greater access and response through your website than through a typical message board.

I have included a copy of her marriage license and a screen print of my collected data for Armita and Thomas. Married: 31 July 1875 Rest, Dorsey Co. (Now Cleveland Co.), Arkansas She is listed as Mittie Gwyn.

Your entries look great! If anything, please correct, in the 1870 census, the spelling of Minta to Arminta and note that her nickname was Mittie. You may also want to include the census information regarding her brother James from 1880 as listed below:

12 June 1880 Van Buren County, Arkansas, Sugar Loaf
148/150
Jinkins, J. B. W M 55 Married Farmer NC/NC/NC
Clemintine W F 50 M Keeping House Wife NC/NC/NC
Gwin, James M W 28 Single Hired Farm Laborer TX (No listing for parents' birth)

I am sending you a second e-mail following this one. It contains my speculated account of William Wiley's and Armita's connection. This account is the same information I have sent out to other Gwin researchers. Just thought you might get a kick out of reading what my imagination can do.

Thanks again!!! Your help is truly appreciated.

Diane Yarbrough

John,

Below is the correspondence which I have been sharing with other Gwin researchers. You may or may not be interested in reading this, but I thought you might get a kick out of it. Just remember, that I am piecing information and dates together purely by SPECULATION. The dates fit and the story is plausible. (It may not be a great idea to publish this information on the website. I am stretching my imagination to put a story together.)
I don't want to get too excited, but I found William W. Guinn in Arkansas, and, yes, the dates fit, IF Emily is his second wife. I could still be wrong and do not have any concrete evidence on which to base my speculation that William could have had another wife other than Emily. But you never know. One has to start looking outside of the box when one hits a brick wall.
Check out the attachment I made showing the counties that William and Armita lived in. The starred area in Lincoln county is where Armita lived in the later years of her adult life. The starred area in Drew county is where William Wylie Guinn is in 1900 when he is about 66. (There are approximately 30 miles between Star City, Lincoln Co., and Wilmar, Drew Co. where each are respectively buried.) If there is truly a connection between William and Armita, they have been dancing around each other throughout the years in neighboring counties. Could William have been keeping an "eye out" for his kids? William also had two older brothers who migrated to Arkansas, Chesley living in Hot Springs and Sam in Drew County.

(I have also added census information below to help support my family history.)

Okay............William is born in Alabama in 1834 and orphaned at 1. His grandfather Samuel, who lived in Mississippi, took custody of him until his death in 1848 when William was 14.

Let's say that William and wife #1 got married in Mississippi when he was about 17. William and wife #1 moved to Texas by 1851 and had their first child James by 1852. Daniel/David is born in 1854, TX and was followed by Armita in 1857, TX. Does wife #1 have a fourth child and die in childbirth in 1858 - 1860? (I am not able to find any TX census to show their time in Texas. Possibly moved there in 1851 and moved out in 1859?)

From reading other researcher's accounts of W. W. Gwinn, they show that William's siblings were living in Mississippi, Texas, and Arkansas. I remember reading that two of his brothers were living in Arkansas (Hot Springs Co. & Drew Co.) and that another family member was working in Cherokee Co., Texas. Other references were made to Rusk and Panola counties in Texas also.

William picked up his kids and moved to Arkansas, say by 1860. As a widower, he had three children under 10. The two boys are "deaf or dumb, blind, insane or idiotic" as listed in the 1870 census. From the same 1870 census, the three children were living with Anna Turkenette (no relation that I know of) in Jefferson Co., AR. I also noticed that there were others listed in this classification on the same census page. Was this possibly a community of people with the same "afflictions"? You would tend to think if the boys were "farm hands" that they were somewhat functional. (There are "deaf mutes" in my father's generation from that branch.) Did William leave Armita with her brothers to "sweeten the pot" so that Anna Turkenette would take the lot?

William Wylie Guinn finds a job in Columbia Co, AR, in 1860 with no wife or children as shown in the 1860 census. He was living with the Askews and was working as an overseer for them. (Columbia Co. is on the southwestern border of TX and AR.) He could have passed through Columbia Co. and found a job, taken the kids up to Jefferson Co., and returned to earn a living in Columbia Co.)

Then comes the war from 1861 to 1865 where he served as a private in the 6th regiment company K, Arkansas infantry, enlisting in Desha Co., AR. (Desha Co. is adjacent to Drew Co. and Jefferson Co. in 1860.)

After the war William met Emily and decided to start fresh with a new family. At the time William married Emily in 1865 (Drew Co.), James was 13, Daniel/David 11, and Armita 9. What also leads me to believe that this may have been William's second marriage is due to the age at which they were married. William (age 33) and Emily (age 32) had their first child in 1868 in AR.

William and Emily are living in Ouchitah Township, Hot Springs Co., by 1880 with seven additional children. William is still with Emily in 1900 and living in Drew Co. along with their son William J. who is 25. William is buried in the Rough and Ready Cemetery in Monticello, Drew Co.

James Gwin, Armita's brother, shows up in Sugar Loaf, Van Buren Co., Arkansas in 1880.

FYI: In 1870 Jefferson, Arkansas, Drew, and Desha counties were all adjacent to one another. Sometime between 1870 and 1880 two new counties were added right smack dab in the middle of those counties: Lincoln and Dorsey (now Cleveland). Lincoln become the central county.

1834 William Wylie Guinn MS/AL: 24 Dec (MS matches the 1870 census that I have for Armita.)
18?? ?? (1st Wife)
1836-1837 Emily TN/AR (2nd Wife?)
1852 James TX
1854 Daniel or David TX
1857 Armita TX
1860 Census Wylie Guinn - Magnolia, Columbia County, AR
        (Overseer for a family named Askew. He is listed with no wife or children. Born Mississippi.)
1861 - 1865 Civil War
        (Desha Co. Batallion, AR Militia. Confederate Arakansas. Private - 6th Regiment AR Infantry, K Company)
1865 William and Emily Marry: Marion Township, Drew County, AR.
        (Location not proven. Info from a Guinn message board.)
1868 Eliminia E AR
1869 John F AR
1870 James R R AR
1870 Census William Marion, Drew County, AR
1870 Census Armita Jefferson Co., AR
1872 Samuel L AR
1873 Susan B AR
1875 William J AR
1875 Armita Marries T J Green Dorsey Co. (Cleveland Co), AR
1879 Alonso N AR
1880 Census Armita Dorsey Co. (Cleveland Co) AR
1880 Census James Van Buren Co.
1880 Census William Hot SpringsCo, AR
1900 Census Armita Lincoln Co., AR
1900 Census William Drew Co., AR
1902 William's Death Drew Co., AR 04 Sept
1924 Armita's Death Lincoln Co, AR

Armita Jane (Arminta Ann) Gwynn Green
B 04 May 1857, TX
D 27 Jun 1924, Star City, Lincoln County, AR (Hickory Grove Cemetery)
M 31 Jul 1875, Rest, Dorsey Co, AR (Thomas Jefferson Green)

1870 AR Census, Bartholomew Township, Jefferson Co, 18 June
Turkenett, Anna 49 F W Housekeeping HOH Miss
Gwin, James 18 M W Farmhand TX
David 16 M W Farmhand TX
Arminta 13 F W TX
Monk, Simon? 14 M W AR

1880 AR Census, Dorsey County (Now Cleveland Co.)
Green, Thomas Jefferson 30 M W HOH Farm Laborer AR (Most likely Miss) KY KY
Armidda 20 F W Wife Farm Laborer TX MS MS
Reuben (Ebenezer) 3 M W Son AR AR TX
Armita Jane Gwynn Green
B 04 May 1857, TX
D 27 Jun 1924, Star City, Lincoln County, AR (Hickory Grove Cemetery)
M 31 Jul 1875, Rest, Dorsey Co, AR (Thomas Jefferson Green)

1900 AR Census, Lincoln County
Green, Thomas Head W M Jan 1850 50 AR KY KY Farmer
Arminty             Wife W F May 1867 43 TX TN TN
John                  Son W M Oct 1880 19 AR AR TX Farmer
Delmon              Son W M Jul   1886 13 AR AR TX
Edgar                Son W M May 1898 2 AR AR TX

Armita Jane Gwynn Green, David Gwynn, James Gwynn (TX/AR)
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